FITA Field Rule Changes

[Vittorio]

Originally Posted by Stylisht

Shooting times - reduced to 3 mins from 4 mins.

Scoring - X will now be scored as 6.

Opinions?

They don't know waht they are talking about....

[Berniethebolt]

It won't make much differance to me I don't get Xs lol

Bernie

[N.Vodden]

Originally Posted by Berniethebolt

It won't make much differance to me I don't get Xs lol

Bernie

thats my problem.

The time doesnt really bother me but while my scoes are 'ok' ish, i dont get many x's. the odd 5 yes but very few are x's so the gap between my score and the top runners is going to get much bigger.

[Stylisht]

Originally Posted by N.Vodden

thats my problem.

The time doesnt really bother me but while my scoes are 'ok' ish, i dont get many x's. the odd 5 yes but very few are x's so the gap between my score and the top runners is going to get much bigger.

But the goalposts for everyone will move as well? In 2 months of competitions, what will the problem be? It will just be another number.

[Marcus26]

It's going to impact hugely on the game.
If you look at sports enjoying growth and success professionally these are the ones that adjust their rules to create parity. In NFL football they introduced many things to allow the bottom teams to compete with teh top teams and prevent one or two dominating.
The result is that heaps of teams could win at the start of the season, unlike the early 90's when you knew it was going to be 1-2 teams likely to win.
How does this relate to archery?

I have been to a number of shoots where the difference between the GMB and MB level archers was around 10 points. The MB archer comes away pleased because he competed. He can feel like he could compete and run with the GMB. Heck for much of the competition he had a chance and in some cases I have watched the win.
They are enthused and enjoyed it. They come back.

10 points in FITA Field is massive. For most shooters that's at least 10 targets worth of mistakes. However that's OK, because at the end of the day everyone is close.

Now you increase that margin to 20 points and the MB will feel like he's got along way to go. He will really shoot a clean end so every target he feels like he is blowing opprtunies to catch up. The GMB will shoot more 6's and will shoot 18's while the MB will rarely.
If you are going to a shoot and getting blown out each time you won't enjoy it as much as you would if you were close each time.

This is the problem with the new rule. It has increased the gap between the great and the good and the average. It's cartering to the great and discarding the average.

FITA had finally gotten the FIeld game back to where it use to be before the grey face screw up, now they go and screw it up again.

Originally Posted by Stylisht

But the goalposts for everyone will move as well? In 2 months of competitions, what will the problem be? It will just be another number.

[Vittorio]

The key point for years in FITA rules was consitency. It meant, make all games having same rules and same scoring, with even same/ similar score.
The only exception because of the indispensable need was Indoor, but in any case maximum score for an arrow was, since the beginning of FITA, 10 for target and 5 for field.
There was no need at all to go to the 6, as there is no need to go to 12 for target (yes, if you have to do it on target, for consistency reason it should be a 12...). Just simply counting X's also for the tied scores in finals and to access finals was going to solve everything without changing anything.
By the way they have done it, it cames to:
- The need to change all international parameters on field national teams, field categories( at least in Italy), and total confusion for comparison to the past.
- The need to modify all results computer programs in the world
- The decrease in medium terms of the numer of compound archers shooting field, for reasons clearly explained by Marcus (recurves are not effected, as of the already larger spread in results)

Not solved in any case:
the impossibility to safeguard arrows on 60 cm close targets

[Bulldog]

You Guys are right,

Back in the summer i beat Chris White on the 2nd day of a field shoot 357 to 356, i was so pumped. take that day now he shot a stunning 60 x's i only had 50, so he got me buy 9.

So in compound shooting i think it is going to open up the field alot. and the there will be a few people who will become untouchable, Cousins/White/Lunden

In recurve i am not so sure, Take Cheshire shoot in October, Naomi and Alan Tied on 674 and where both where very far infornt, take into acount Naomi 48 X's and Alan 38x's the gaps just became bigger.

The elimination round at the worlds will now not be so close anyway. and the top shooter will come through more often.

Barebow i think it will make no differance.

In a year now will remember how it used to be and it will become the norm.

[Fran C]

Originally Posted by grantwomack

Time is never measured unless it is a finals. So no real hassle there.

X ---> 6? WTF? That's lame.

With respect, time is always measured if a judge is informed that an archer is taking too long. The loss of a minute on the peg is very likely to upset some people who habitually take their full four minutes.

As for scoring the X as a 6 - I fail to see the point of changing something that doesn't appear to have a problem.

[Desert Archer]

Originally Posted by Vittorio

The key point for years in FITA rules was consitency. It meant, make all games having same rules and same scoring, with even same/ similar score.
The only exception because of the indispensable need was Indoor, but in any case maximum score for an arrow was, since the beginning of FITA, 10 for target and 5 for field.
There was no need at all to go to the 6, as there is no need to go to 12 for target (yes, if you have to do it on target, for consistency reason it should be a 12...). Just simply counting X's also for the tied scores in finals and to access finals was going to solve everything without changing anything.
By the way they have done it, it cames to:
- The need to change all international parameters on field national teams, field categories( at least in Italy), and total confusion for comparison to the past.
- The need to modify all results computer programs in the world
- The decrease in medium terms of the numer of compound archers shooting field, for reasons clearly explained by Marcus (recurves are not effected, as of the already larger spread in results)

Not solved in any case:
the impossibility to safeguard arrows on 60 cm close targets

Thus my comment that these changes are...Crap!

Dave

[Fran C]

I have heard from a member of the Field Committee.

The change in timing at the peg is official, and will come into force for FITA field on 1st January 2008. Thus, next season there will only be a maximum of three minutes allowed at the peg per detail instead of four.

The change in scoring is still under discussion, and because of the many considerations involved it might not happen. Watch, as they say, this space.