Alcohol - should there be an explicit rule?

[Deadeye Doc]

... at the bottom of this thread, at least on my browser, there's a link to "Similar Threads" one of which is "Yorkshire Rugrats Rule"
http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...rats-rule.html
I was curious so I looked at this thread to try and determine what the similarities might be. There are only 11 replies to this thread so it was easy to scan through. I can see absolutely no similarities with this thread. Could someone please enlighten me ... maybe I have had too much to drink?

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by buzz lite beer

they can't be! I drank About 6 Pints at Lilleshall once (stumbled back to my tent amount) shot with a hang over got drug and alcohol tested during the next days shoot and passed.

My mistake. I got my decimal points wrong. Still given the number of people who are over the limit for driving the following day, the scope for being over the official limit in archery is there too. I guess the other factor is that you are unlikely to be tested until the end of the day...

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by Deadeye Doc

... at the bottom of this thread, at least on my browser, there's a link to "Similar Threads" one of which is "Yorkshire Rugrats Rule"
http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...rats-rule.html
I was curious so I looked at this thread to try and determine what the similarities might be. There are only 11 replies to this thread so it was easy to scan through. I can see absolutely no similarities with this thread. Could someone please enlighten me ... maybe I have had too much to drink?

Maybe because yorkshire has been mentioned in this thread??

[Deadeye Doc]

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

Maybe because yorkshire has been mentioned in this thread??

Ist there a particular problem in Yorkshire?

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by Deadeye Doc

Ist there a particular problem in Yorkshire?

If you read from the beginning , I mentioned that some Yorkshire archers didn't need alcohol to start singing!!

Anything else that needs to be repeated retired person??

[Furface]

Just in case everyone thinks I am a total spoilsport (and prompted by Deadeye Doc) I would clarify that my thoughts were about drinking alcohol (and being drunk) during the shooting part of a tournament (and possibly beforehand), but not afterwards.
A couple of two-pennorths:-
1) If we are to apply "common sense" then we must actually apply "common sense". If we believe an archer is being affected by having consumed alcohol we must say so, and others must be willing to back us up, including, especially, judges and TOs. Too often I have seen people clearly affected being indulgently overlooked. I have also known sober archers leave an event rather than challenge the drunkard belching, muttering and farting next to them.
2) I felt particular disquiet at a local tournament a couple of years back when the longbowmen passed round the sherry at frequent intervals (every end?) - including to junior longbowmen. This was defended as being "traditional", and the judge I approached did not think it stoppable.

[FlourPower]

Too frequent and it'd be silly but slightly off topic.

Junior Longbowmen? OH MY GOD!! How irresponsible that children should be allowed to learn how to drink in an arguebly sensible manner in safety! They should be in a park with a squeezy bottle of cider or on a street corner with a blue WKD! Not enjoying a drink with their elders!

[BobCat]

[quote=Deadeye Doc;221908]Well, maybe the figure quoted above "Archery (FITA) (0.10 g/L)" is what we could argue about. I think that you are right Buzz. The figure for driving is .8mg/100ml
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And just to add another figure couple of figures to the mix. In a lot of Civil Engineering companies and sites anyone working is now liable to Drug and alcohol tests, and they "do" about 5% of the workforce per year and the limit for reporting to work is 0.8mg/100ml.

However on any Network Rail related Jobs the limit is much lower at 0.29mg/100ml which means care has to be taken the night before work.

For the 0.1mg/100ml that must be getting down to not drinking the previous day and near background levels for regular drinkers.

So question would / do any proposed levels apply to informal club shoots. Remembering that GNAS insurance cover would be affected? If it did/does then expect Reasonable cause testing following any insurable incident. Why because the insurance company would try to limit their liability.

[jet186]

Originally Posted by Furface

Obviously it would only apply to GNAS affiliated clubs, and hence to all activities covered under GNAS insurance, where GNAS does have jurisdiction. Just thought I'd clear that up.

Interesting point you raise Furface, if (God forbid ) there was an accident on the shooting ground and it was deemed that an Archer present was found to be drunk(Legally) during the course of an investigation, even if the archer found to be drunk after said incident was not directly involved would GNAS Insurance then become void ?

[not dead yet]

friends, best friends, archers and countrymen.

welcome to the world of free speech.

anyone here remember the kirby muxloe weekends, with the fancy dress parties. how much alcohol was consumed on the saturday nights. how many were drunk on the line or didnt shoot on the sunday.( no one )

that was WAS the best shoot in the country. the archers world record status fita, fun weekend. then what happens oh dear too much happiness here, the club must have lost £100s not to mention the club house.

a certain person that doesn't shoot anymore had more scotch in him on a sat morn than most people have in a month. he was never a risk, or a problem. theres enough people on the field to secure any issues. why make more rules. when there obviously isnt a case to answer.

i can remember when the GNAS rules of shooting was 5 pages in a 4 inch x 3 inch booklet.

buzz bring the beer to lilleshall. LMP your on the southern comfort.

LMP ask the main man he passed drug test after lunch.

archers enjoy your sport, meet new people, buy them a drink. we wont be able to afford beer soon

pete