Coaching - Would/Have you paid for Coaching?

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by Shirt

To steal a phrase from a coach I know: Archery is a closed skill, much like driving a car.

RAC or BSM driving lessons:
Yes to a time to suit me, within reason (e.g. not at 6AM)
Yes can respect - they have a proven track record and can cite pass rates.
If you keep failing they will cut you a break and you get discounts on lessons. Most driving instructors have a "fail and we'll give you a free one" sort of offer.
While lots of people were just taught to drive by their parents, that's less predictable about passing than time spent with a qualified instructor - e.g. some people chronically fail because their dad never told them to check their blind spot.

I think my criteria are also somewhat specific to me.

Thats a very good analagy (sp?)
I guess the big difference is that there are lots of "parents" in archery and very few full time professionals, but no qualified freebie driving instructors.
There are also some crap professional driving instructors who survive due to sheer numbers of candidates.
Perhaps if archery was as popular as driving.........

I rang my local college and told them I wanted to do a degree in physics on a thursday evening 7-9 starting next week. The tutor must have a proven industry record (5 years at searn would do it) oh yes, and no tuition fees.

[Shirt]

Originally Posted by grimsby archer

I guess the big difference is that there are lots of "parents" in archery and very few full time professionals, but no qualified freebie driving instructors.

Absolutely. And why part with your hard earned for what's effectively a parent who's found an L plate?

Originally Posted by grimsby archer

I rang my local college and told them I wanted to do a degree in physics on a thursday evening 7-9 starting next week. The tutor must have a proven industry record (5 years at searn would do it) oh yes, and no tuition fees.

Ah, see where you're wrong there is you want some identifiable outcome in the event that it doesn't work where you can point to someone else. If you go with the Open University (which probably fits the first three points you mentioned) it'll be easily identifiable through testing as you go along whether it's sinking in and whether you need to work on a particular point with someone - think of it as banding together with some mates and paying for a coach, you'll all get something out of it by listening to what everyone else has issues with, you get the one-on-one time you want, and it's cheaper than going out on a limb on your own.

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by Shirt

Ah, see where you're wrong there is you want some identifiable outcome in the event that it doesn't work where you can point to someone else. If you go with the Open University (which probably fits the first three points you mentioned) it'll be easily identifiable through testing as you go along whether it's sinking in and whether you need to work on a particular point with someone - think of it as banding together with some mates and paying for a coach, you'll all get something out of it by listening to what everyone else has issues with, you get the one-on-one time you want, and it's cheaper than going out on a limb on your own.

Was this a translation using babelfish or just fingers faster than your brain?

I get your point though. Interesting argument which I dont necessarily disagree with.

[Shirt]

If I thought before I typed/spoke I'd make much less sense!

[mk1]

Originally Posted by grimsby archer

I rang my local college and told them I wanted to do a degree in physics on a thursday evening 7-9 starting next week. The tutor must have a proven industry record (5 years at searn would do it) oh yes, and no tuition fees.

A degree in 2 hours a week - how many years have you got?

[madbirdwomen]

I would Pay for individual coaching when required, our club has coaches but its very hard to see them as they are usually with the beginners on a club night. Or cos i shoot compound don't want to know you. If i went in with my recurve be a different story though.
That is why i had to change clubs to get anywhere with compound.

[BowSurfer]

I did pay for individual coaching when I and my wife went to Moretonhanpstead on holiday and made it an archery holiday as well. The coaching was very good and very beneficial. However I would still like to think that my club can provide some free guidance for myself and my family if we have specific problems that need sorting out, and our club is very good at providing this sort of help. Club coaches are archers too, and they want to get some shooting time in, so it is not reasonable to expect them to spend vast amounts of time providing long-term coaching for an archer. This can be gained for the better archers at County level, or archers can always go on personal coaching courses, personal fitness courses, or even archery holidays.

[not dead yet]

i voted for other at the btm of the poll.

been on squad for years. only good squads were by non coaches.

one squad weekend, i was told i must wear a bracer.????
my thoughts on that was why if i hit my arm with 44lb, its a bad shot and i only do it once. 300 mile round trip for that info....mind you she was a county coach.

did a demonstration at a corporate day once. recurve compound, then the longbow. no bracer with any. now the 65lb longbow with fastflight string. ouchy what a damn mess that was.lol

pete

[Meddler]

Originally Posted by not dead yet

one squad weekend, i was told i must wear a bracer.????
my thoughts on that was why if i hit my arm with 44lb, its a bad shot and i only do it once. 300 mile round trip for that info....mind you she was a county coach.

did a demonstration at a corporate day once. recurve compound, then the longbow. no bracer with any. now the 65lb longbow with fastflight string. ouchy what a damn mess that was.lol

pete

I think that the advice you were given was good advice. For elfin safety if nothing else... Coach has a "duty of care" towards people they work with... What you do with the advice is up to you, of course.

Then you go on and tell us about getting whacked by the string on your 65# longbow... 'nuff said.

I tell my leaders / coach trainees, always demonstrate best practice. Wearing a bracer is best practice.

[not dead yet]

do as i say not as i do...

i do wear a bracer for the longbow. normally.

if you dont need a bracer why wear one.
been shooting long enough to know that i dont require one for recurve or compound.