What weight recurve do you draw (men)?

[JohnK]

What Rik is referring to (I think) is the adjustment range of the limb bolts. On Hoyt risers with Hoyt limbs, you get the marked weight on the limb with the limb bolts wound half way in. On other risers, such as the PSEs and (according to Rik) W&Ws, the marked limb weight should apply when the limb bolts are wound all the way out.

This is why mixing limbs and risers from different manufacturers can be interesting. I recall that when I bought my Border XP10 limbs and tried them on several risers, the draw weight felt different each time. On the Spigarelli 2001 I'm sure they weighed in at about 2-3lb heavier than expected. As it happens, on my Intrepid they weigh in at exactly the marked weight at 28in.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by JohnK

What Rik is referring to (I think) is the adjustment range of the limb bolts. On Hoyt risers with Hoyt limbs, you get the marked weight on the limb with the limb bolts wound half way in. On other risers, such as the PSEs and (according to Rik) W&Ws, the marked limb weight should apply when the limb bolts are wound all the way out.

This is why mixing limbs and risers from different manufacturers can be interesting. I recall that when I bought my Border XP10 limbs and tried them on several risers, the draw weight felt different each time. On the Spigarelli 2001 I'm sure they weighed in at about 2-3lb heavier than expected. As it happens, on my Intrepid they weigh in at exactly the marked weight at 28in.

Cheers John, that's pretty much what I thought was meant but it's nice to have it spelt out.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by JohnK

What Rik is referring to (I think) is the adjustment range of the limb bolts. On Hoyt risers with Hoyt limbs, you get the marked weight on the limb with the limb bolts wound half way in. On other risers, such as the PSEs and (according to Rik) W&Ws, the marked limb weight should apply when the limb bolts are wound all the way out.

This is why mixing limbs and risers from different manufacturers can be interesting. I recall that when I bought my Border XP10 limbs and tried them on several risers, the draw weight felt different each time. On the Spigarelli 2001 I'm sure they weighed in at about 2-3lb heavier than expected. As it happens, on my Intrepid they weigh in at exactly the marked weight at 28in.

Dead on. I'm not sure when Hoyt made the change to "middle-range" as I can remember trying out some carbon+ limbs back in the 90's which seemed to be marked at the bottom end...
That was an eye-opening day, I recall. I tried 3 sets of limbs, two marked at 38, one at 36. One pair was coming up at 38 (as near as I could estimate, given my draw length), the 36 was coming up at 37, and so was the other pair of 38s... I hadn't realised the marked weights might vary that much on *quality* limbs. I subsequently found the AMO standards, where it documents that the marking is allowed to be +- 1lb out...

[JohnK]

Originally Posted by Rik

Dead on. I'm not sure when Hoyt made the change to "middle-range" as I can remember trying out some carbon+ limbs back in the 90's which seemed to be marked at the bottom end...

I remember that at the Hoyt seminar I attended in May 2004 the Hoyt staff denied that the risers and limbs had ever been made in any configuration than the middle-range one. I found that a bit suspect, personally.

That was an eye-opening day, I recall. I tried 3 sets of limbs, two marked at 38, one at 36. One pair was coming up at 38 (as near as I could estimate, given my draw length), the 36 was coming up at 37, and so was the other pair of 38s... I hadn't realised the marked weights might vary that much on *quality* limbs. I subsequently found the AMO standards, where it documents that the marking is allowed to be +- 1lb out...

I'd be willing to bet that the larger the company and the higher the production volume, the less likely it is that you're going to get a set of limbs that weigh exactly as marked. The smaller companies that make matched limbs by hand are far more likely to get it right first time, but that's the nature of the game.

[gunmender]

My G3s give me a weight of 40# when cranked up but my draw length is 26", the Hoyt giving weights for the mid adjustment is a good way to go IMHO.

No better way to check the weight than a set of scales!

Having been to Stylist and seen limbs being made, they measure all limbs individually (pair) and then mark them up.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by gunmender

My G3s give me a weight of 40# when cranked up but my draw length is 26", the Hoyt giving weights for the mid adjustment is a good way to go IMHO.

No better way to check the weight than a set of scales!

Having been to Stylist and seen limbs being made, they measure all limbs individually (pair) and then mark them up.

I wonder how often they calibrate their scales, and what with...

26 inches? That's really quite short... You are measuring to the button, then adding 1.75 inches...? Some people quote their draw "to the button", but unless they specify that's what they're doing, it gives an undersized drawlength. But be careful of how your manufacturer states it's measure of draw length - Yamaha used to measure draw weight at 26 inches... to the button... So about 27.75 inches as far as everyone else was concerned.

[gunmender]

A retired prop forward with short arms Rik, on my matrix I am using the clicker extension plate but the clicker blade is just forward of the riser body.

Made it cheaper to get some ACEs from e bay! :cheesy:

As i sometimes deal with Calibration i would say that 99% of bowscales are probably not calibrated, however there are some out there that are very close and at the end of the day common sense (i hope) would say if your 38# limbs come up with 50# on the scales its time to re assess the accuracy of them.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by gunmender

As i sometimes deal with Calibration i would say that 99% of bowscales are probably not calibrated, however there are some out there that are very close and at the end of the day common sense (i hope) would say if your 38# limbs come up with 50# on the scales its time to re assess the accuracy of them.

I check my scales every now and again, so I know they generally come up about a pound light in the 35-45 pound range. So when I see someone use a set of scales, in a shop, which are obviously wrong (or someone weighs their bow and says "it's coming up too light, your scales are wrong"), I've got a basis for saying so. I'm astonished at the number of people willing to make major purchases (arrows aren't cheap) based on dubious or non-existent data...
I keep looking at digital scales (and now Easton have a set on the market as well), but I don't feel I can justify laying out the cash on something that's only of occasional use. Add it to the long term present list, I suppose...:smiley:

[gunmender]

You can i guess have a known weight, a bag of spuds even! weigh on other scales in shop, they have to be pretty close then cross referece your scales. I see that the online price for a set of 50kg pull type is about £10, agian cross refer to see how close they are.

But is there anything the size of a release aid which a recurve archer could draw with and get a direct reading?

[panrixx]

I recently bought a set of new 50lbs Carp Fishing Tackle Scales off EBay for the grand total of £1.80 plus £1.15 postage (i.e. £2.95).



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7198323678&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

The scales are the size of a man's hand, so easily transportable, and include lifting hook and retractable measuring tape. I check their accuracy against the old fasion 'dumbell' type weights (14lb, 28lb etc) and they are no more than 0.5lb light, which I can easily allow for.

My 32lb Evolution limbs have been wound up in the GM riser the maximum amount and with my 30" draw lenght should theoretically give around 37.5lbs. Using the scales the measured draw weight recorded 38lbs. At the price I paid I think that's good enough.

If any one is interested the seller has another set up for auction tomorrow and it is priced at £1.99 with no bids placed at present. The link is

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARP-FISHING-TACKLE-50LBS-SCALES_W0QQitemZ7203441086QQcategoryZ112955QQtcZph otoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



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