Become a Coach?

[oldy]

Some years ago I was a squad member for a long time and went to many squad meetings (recurve)and I must say I learnt a lot from fellow squad members and naff all from the coaches. Infact I used to ask them questions that I knew the answers to, just to find out what their answers would be and invariably it was a rubbish answer, so I lost all confidence in the coaches.
As a matter of interest most of the squad felt the same way.At one time I was involved with three squads so it wasn't the same coaches.
I would vote yes but I would want to take an exam & not go through all this level 1/2 etc business. After all I passed my driving test in one go and I didnt have to go through levels 1/2/3 and so far I havent killed anyone,(wounded a couple).

[Marcus26]

OK I am a coach but I would not bother becoming a GNAS coach. I have done qualifications here in Australia but am not interested in coaching on a structured basis (except for my class I run). This is because I want to get to world class level myself and that obviously takes time.
Also I have found that while 20 people may approach for coaching, only 2-3 are actually will to work, the other 17 are after quick fixes.

ThePinkOne
I would class 1360+ as World Class in Womens Compound. 1380 for Mens. IMHO.

As for the question 'should a coach be able tos hoot at the level you wish to?"
Yes and No.
You can get coaches who know how to do something, know how to teach it, but can not quite make it happen themselves. A good coach should be beated by their students.
However you also have to look at standards. A compounder who can not shoot 1240 won't have a clue of the pressures of shooting 1340. Also they are clearly doing something fundamentally wrong if they score that low.
I think a 1300 archer can teach a 1330 shooter however.

[whisky]

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

Oooohhh, a cute coach

LOL I wish

So you're saying where I lose out with technical ability I make for with looks I'm speaking to your coach as I suspect you need an updated eye test if you think I'm cute. I'm told Splitters cute?

[oldy]

Originally Posted by Marcus26

OK I am a coach but I would not bother becoming a GNAS coach. I have done qualifications here in Australia but am not interested in coaching on a structured basis (except for my class I run). This is because I want to get to world class level myself and that obviously takes time.
Also I have found that while 20 people may approach for coaching, only 2-3 are actually will to work, the other 17 are after quick fixes.

ThePinkOne
I would class 1360+ as World Class in Womens Compound. 1380 for Mens. IMHO.

As for the question 'should a coach be able tos hoot at the level you wish to?"
Yes and No.
You can get coaches who know how to do something, know how to teach it, but can not quite make it happen themselves. A good coach should be beated by their students.
However you also have to look at standards. A compounder who can not shoot 1240 won't have a clue of the pressures of shooting 1340. Also they are clearly doing something fundamentally wrong if they score that low.
I think a 1300 archer can teach a 1330 shooter however.

Your'e pretty well spot on there Marcus, 1200 is low as I was shooting 1200+ over 20yrs ago with recurve/wood core limbs /dacron and ally arrows.Cant do it with a recurve now though . Some years ago I heard that in Australia to become a coach you had to be M B and be able to make your own bow (recurve or long bow ).Was or is this true.?

[artee]

I would love to do a coaching course.
The trouble i have is most of the tuition is during the summer whilst I am shooting.
There seems to be no give and take to try and find some common times to teach new coaches.
If someone can find me a coaching group that will teach during the winter, sign me up NOW.

[Furface]

Originally Posted by artee

If someone can find me a coaching group that will teach during the winter, sign me up NOW.

You mean like what they do in Yorkshire?

While I understand Marcus' comments about pressure, I disagree to an extent. One of the areas in the UK where - in all sports - we fall down is in Psychological coaching. The most successful UK coach of recent years, Clive Woodward, could, I believe, be a successful coach of any sport because he combined the three main elements - skill (sport specific); physiology; psychology. The latter two are not sports specific, while the first is the easiest to pick up from sport to sport. Top UK coaches tend to focus entirely on the first. Is helping someone cope with the pressure of top scoring much different from helping someone cope with teh pressure of a last minute drop goal?

[bkupris]

Originally Posted by oldy

Your'e pretty well spot on there Marcus, 1200 is low as I was shooting 1200+ over 20yrs ago with recurve/wood core limbs /dacron and ally arrows.Cant do it with a recurve now though . Some years ago I heard that in Australia to become a coach you had to be M B and be able to make your own bow (recurve or long bow ).Was or is this true.?

Well guy's if what's required is 1300+ shooters as coaches what chance has GNAS have of ever providing enough of them to meet demand?

[ThePinkOne]

Originally Posted by Marcus26

ThePinkOne
I would class 1360+ as World Class in Womens Compound. 1380 for Mens. IMHO.

So why is the level lower for women...?? The distances are shorter so one would expect the scores to be similar....

I guess I shoot with the boys most of the time so I get a different perspective. Maybe that's part of the reason; many fewer women compounds who are seriously competitive? Or is that just a UK/European perspective?

[bkupris]

This thread is not about what is a world class compound archer. It's about trying to address the perceptions of what type of compound archer would help GNAS to fullfil their role in providing world class coaching for it's (compound) members. In my opinion these new coaches will have to come from the membership, not from thin air!

[Marcus26]

Furface
I agree that someone trained in all aspect of professional sports coaching would be of high benifit, however the advantage of having coaches who have competed at a reasonably high level is that they understand what occurs at those high levels. For example I have competed at Natioal and International level so when my students reached those levels I was able to talk them through their upcoming events and prepare them for what lies ahead.
My approach as to what they needed to concentrate on what vastly different to the other coaches with students there as they simply ended up winding their charges up.
So while not a 100% requirement, it is certainly a huge advantage.
Imagine having a coach who said to you "Well good luck at the Nationals, I wonder what it will be like......." Ouch.

ThePinkOne
The level is lower because the skill levels are lower I'm afraid. In Australia for example we have 3 women who have shot 1370+, we would have around 10 Men who have done it. The international scene is not much different. A 1360 women is competitive at the worlds and likely to do well. A 1360 Man would make the cut but would be unlike to get past the 1/32.
I agree it should not be the case, but untill we get more women compounders into the sport it won't change much.