Our problems...

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Bird_2112

So can I say that this bounce test will help show the stiffness of the limbs ?

Nope. Torsional stiffness is the ability of the limb to resist rotational forces (or torque), whereas your "bouncing" method simply relates to the ability of the limb to resist bending (and only then in an extremely small part of its dynamic range).

This may of course be complete b*ll*cks, but it sounded good

[KevinH]

Originally Posted by Schme1440

I would have to agree. Im not particularly worried about speed. Again it comes back to "id rather have a slow 10 then a fast 9" I put up with my dupleeted uranium x10's and poor 100/90 sight marks as they shoot so well. I would not replace them with a faster arrow (ACE) if they would not group as well. So I would happily trade a fast set of limbs for a more forgiving/stable set of limbs.

I'm confused are you talking about arrow speed or limb speed ?. Isn't it the good fast limbs that enable you to use the heavier arrows. I certainly know that If I was to switch to a slower limb than my current ML2's I would have to use either more poundage or a weaker and lighter arrow.

Having said that I'm not convinced there is any need for limbs to get any faster than the current fast limbs and increased stability would be desirable, but not at the cost of speed.

[Wrexham Exile]

Originally Posted by Schme1440

I would have to agree. Im not particularly worried about speed. Again it comes back to "id rather have a slow 10 then a fast 9" I put up with my dupleeted uranium x10's and poor 100/90 sight marks as they shoot so well. I would not replace them with a faster arrow (ACE) if they would not group as well. So I would happily trade a fast set of limbs for a more forgiving/stable set of limbs.

i agree - i prefer the x10s to aces but i would also like the better sight marks..

also i think arrow/limb speed can get confused, well it certainly confuses me.

[BorderBows]

So, if we had a method of taking our TXG limbs and make them faster. Or a method of making them stiffer. What would you want?

See our Hex5s are currently faster, using the same stability.
or would you take a more stable version of a TXG, we can do that too?

Kae, your right, but also the slow hit also works for beginners too. if the bow makes up for a bad loose.

Our point, is how stable does a bow have to be. Is having a limb thats 20x stiffer than the current stiff limb going to improve your scores? or would better sight marks make a bigger difference?

we are currently thinking, its all in place, but we need the marketing side sorted... but,

we have various options at all levels.

laminate : TX40,VX
core: wood, Hyperflex
profile: TX, Hex4, Hex5
Finish: GL, Black (not colour, surface type)

the options go in stage of budget and requirements. you can in theory choose any variation you want.
the top limb will be a "Vx Hex5-H Black" A budget limb would be "TX40 TX-W black" This is in essence our TXB.

those who know the TXG would know that at present it employs the TX40 bow facings, hyperflex core, this would be known as a "TX40 TX-H Black" if chosen as a custom limb., there we will be
standard stock limbs called the names we currently have, then a custom limb made from these options with the naming codes above to explain the construction.
These names can change, as we have the technologies at the moment, we just dont know how to launch it as this can be very confusing...

So if you rate speed, choose the hex5 and black. If you rate consitant sight marks, then hyperflex, if you rate stability then VX. Or if you want your cake and eat it. pick them all! We can then apply our R&D to further improve our product in an understandable way.

is this a clear option package for the decerning archer?

[Rhys]

Seems like a good idea

So if you wanted a more stable TXG, you could upgrade them with the VX laminates?

Or am i just getting confused?

[napolienne]

The options themselves are clear, but I suspect people will be a little hazy on the effect of the options - you're going to have to be very precise and clear about what each material/profile will do. Quantifiable differences will have to be drawn out. Isn't there going to be an element of people not knowing which combination will work for them until they have tried all of them? Maybe some case studies/examples would help - presumably your Swedish data will be of use here?

The concept is excellent - I suspect I'll be seeing you some time in March/April...

[BorderBows]

Originally Posted by Rhys

Seems like a good idea

So if you wanted a more stable TXG, you could upgrade them with the VX laminates?

Or am i just getting confused?

exactly. If you think you suffer from x problem then try and see if you can get better results with different technology.

We beleave that barebow doesnt need "as" stiff a limb as target. This is because the arrow last touches the riser. The riser will torque due to loose, and the limbs not giving. if the limbs give a little, then less torque will hit the handle...
The stabilisers take the brunt of this in a stabilised bow.

The Problem with specifics on case studies, is people expect the same answers. Setup specific results can differ and it becomes a mine field, but theory can be explained.
We are here to help taylor this for those who are "hazy"

We think as archers its the way forward to have "Factory Tuned" in the hands of the non sponsored.

[napolienne]

Originally Posted by BorderBows

The Problem with specifics on case studies, is people expect the same answers. Setup specific results can differ and it becomes a mine field, but theory can be explained.
We are here to help taylor this for those who are "hazy"

We think as archers its the way forward to have "Factory Tuned" in the hands of the non sponsored.

Sounds good to me. Can you explain a little of the materials/shape theory here for us? I understand the general idea (stabilised bows can cope with torsionally stiffer limbs), but I'd like to know more about how the properties of the materials/profile of the limb define its speed and stiffness. I asked a question on this topic a while back, but I never really got an answer...

[BorderBows]

Originally Posted by napolienne

Sounds good to me. Can you explain a little of the materials/shape theory here for us? I understand the general idea (stabilised bows can cope with torsionally stiffer limbs), but I'd like to know more about how the properties of the materials/profile of the limb define its speed and stiffness. I asked a question on this topic a while back, but I never really got an answer...

That is the million dollar question. Each company does it a little different. So we would not tell our way, but other methodologies are apparent in other companies marketing. So thats one we would like to shy away from, which is why you probably didint get much of a reply.

[Flying Whale]

The variety of options sounds interesting. My question is what level do you feel an archer would need to have achieved before they could ask the right question to get the right answer and the right limb fabrication combination.

I don't like buying frequently on impulse. I would rather buy kit I like, but that I think has real quality, and stick with it for a while. I have several pairs of border limbs, and like them a lot. I would probably not have bought them if I could not have gone to a good shop and had time to try them carefully.

I may be old fashioned, but I value being able to go to a specialist dealer in most things I buy (including archery).

How do you see dealers fitting in to this new sheme? Is it really intended for a more direct selling approach for people who know what they want? Would bigger dealers be able to carry sufficient of the variants? How would smaller shops cope?


I like to see innovative thinking, but I would be concerned if it cuts the good dealers out of the supply chain, because I think they provide a significant benefit to many archers.