Our problems...

[BorderBows]

Welcome to AIUK as any new poster gets on this forum.

what problems have you heard of?

Here is one thread we started to explain a few things...

Originally Posted by BorderBows

We have a lot of plans, we have permission from the estate for a Marks style shoot, Have had for over a year, just cant get near it...

We have other plans too, but just need to sort one small issue out.

We need Staff, reliable, honest, working staff.... We have failed to find even one of those attributes from the Job centre so, if anyone has any ideas, we would be glad to hear of where good staff lurk.

But in that problem, we are 3 guys down, and are struggling to meet the deadlines we have placed with us. The concerns we have in the 12-14 weeks quoted deadlines, all hell can break loose and those deadlines get erroded, to the current 20 weeks we are managing at the moment.
Issue being, we quoted 12-14 weeks, and 20 weeks later we still dont have their bow finished.
We have some very understanding customers, but we are also seeing a larger and larger demand!
In that note, We need a new website, The one we have is not up to date (Totally out of date infact). We have plans, but hours in a day are a issue, when you are behind, again advise is welcome. We have about 300 orders at any one time, so thats about 180 customers phoning/emailing at any one time and there are two of us in the office, dealling with emails, phonecalls, packing, and orders.

3 guys down with old demand, incresed demand means more guys.

So can we please ask for a little patience till we can get the right guys in the right place and get our production director, Dave back on track, we should get back on top of things.

In the mean time, if anyone has missed a reply from us, we are very sorry.
We have had 4 years of answering every email we have recived, (Spam excluded) within 24 hours, and this is the first time we have not managed it!

Hope you understand, but if its instock, its instock and ready to ship. no delays.

Regards

the Guys/girls at border

As for the GLX at the moment, we are getting about 20% returns on the wood vaneer cracking, but thats not limited to the Hex5.
This happens in the first few weeks for shooting. The wood vaneer has no structural impact on the bow. The next issue is that you have bought a bow which now doesnt look as good as it should. This is what a warranty is for and we are having to pick up this 20%. We have backed off from the GLX concept as production and prototype are proving two different things. We will be working on this idea and when its more robust we will re-introduce it.
We havea majority of bows being Shot heavily with no ill effects. and others that are happy with the tillering process and not shooting.
We have a customer in the Yukon hunting with his hex5 and he is currently sticking the lifting sections of wood down and shooting his bow for over a month till his replacements are ready. (NOT good, and we are working on a fix)

So between late production and this issue there are a few concerns i can only understand.

I hope some of our Hex-5 customers can talk on our behalf.

[ede]

Thanks for the answer. Is there a posibility to avoid this cracking (havier arrows, no fast flight string, less brace height)?

[border@yukon]

I guess I'd be the Yukon customer.
First of all hello everybody. New to the board

Ede, to Your last question: I dont think so. I'm shooting 10gpp arrows from a 7.5" brace, and it still happened.
Its not really bad, just doesnt look nice.

To Your initial question about purchasing the HEX5s. I fling my arras, with no extras, shot off the shelf, and I can say one thing about the HEX5s: There is NOTHING out there comparable. They are smooth, they are quiet, they are quick pointing (accurate when shot instinctively), and they are faaaast (with my setup anyways). In one mail I sent to Sid, I wrote they almost seem to have a let-off the closer You get to Your anchor
The Hex5s with the hyperfoam core are an amazing limb, and I would not hesitate to buy it again. I ordered GLX cuz, I like the all wood look on my bows, but they do make them without the veneers, and they are app faster. Again I can only speak from my limited experience.

Sid's service is second to none, and they make an outstanding product at Border. The veneer issue is kind of a bummer, but in our conversations Sid never held back in mentioning that a rpob might occur (67#@31", bowlength 62"), so I knew what I was up for......

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on their HEX5s and border.
They are an awesome company with a strong heritage, and values, which cant be taken for granted nowadays.

Sid, sorry to hear about Your staff issues, hope everything works out for You.
Thanks for still keeping up the good work to You, and the whole Border team.

Robert

[BorderBows]

Originally Posted by border@yukon

I guess I'd be the Yukon customer.
First of all hello everybody. New to the board


Robert

Welcome Rob,

Really didnt expect you on here...

The standard offering is

Hope all is well...
You will find your posts dont get pulled here. Tradgang and leatherwall have been deleting our customer posts as we dont sponser.

31" on a ultra 62" bow is quite a streatch... Thats our max draw length for that bow but good to hear its smooth out to 31".

Ede, our limbs are currently availabe in black, brown, desert camo, Forrest Camo, leaves, or any other colour you can think of, Black and brown are standard.
Trust me when i say we are working hard here to fix the problem with the vaneers. Got several ideas to test, like moisture content, and grain quality before we can identify what the issue is.
We have had test bows make 36" draw and not crack. (Vaneer that is)

This vaneer is not an option on target bows as we dont see a reason for the weight penalty.

Sid

[archer_thom]

As a target recurve archer, I value:

- Forgiveness of poor releases
- Smoothness through the clicker (I pull 29.75" on 70")
- Consistency in all temperatures and weather conditions
- Speed
- Low vibration (though I've never had a problem with this)

And an attractive colour scheme is always a plus - my matte black Premier Carbons are the most wonderful looking limbs ever with my red flame Aerotec, and I have won matches on looks alone

[BorderBows]

Originally Posted by archer_thom

As a target recurve archer, I value:

- Forgiveness of poor releases
- Smoothness through the clicker (I pull 29.75" on 70")
- Consistency in all temperatures and weather conditions
- Speed
- Low vibration (though I've never had a problem with this)

And an attractive colour scheme is always a plus - my matte black Premier Carbons are the most wonderful looking limbs ever with my red flame Aerotec, and I have won matches on looks alone

You would be looking for:
1)good resistance to lateral flex in th limb tips
2)Looking to get not like a compound, you want to be in the start of the down side to the draw force curve as you go though the clicker.
If your in the trough, of the draw force curve then you will start to get harder as you go though you clicker
3) This is a mixed idea. Our hyperflex core has been tested in draw force curve from 40degrees and 5degrees... no difference, But thats approximatly what all companies claim.
4)5) Good efficent design gives speed, as well as a good setup.... will do, it will also reduce wobble.

We do have custom colours. Just tell us the paint code and for a small charge we can paint our limbs any colour...

[archer_thom]

Originally Posted by BorderBows

You would be looking for:
1)good resistance to lateral flex in th limb tips
2)Looking to get not like a compound, you want to be in the start of the down side to the draw force curve as you go though the clicker.
If your in the trough, of the draw force curve then you will start to get harder as you go though you clicker
3) This is a mixed idea. Our hyperflex core has been tested in draw force curve from 40degrees and 5degrees... no difference, But thats approximatly what all companies claim.
4)5) Good efficent design gives speed, as well as a good setup.... will do, it will also reduce wobble.

We do have custom colours. Just tell us the paint code and for a small charge we can paint our limbs any colour...

I saw a test in the FFTA magazine in 2002 which showed my Premier Carbons to have the stiffest limb tips on the market and the second highest speed - second to TXG's!!! So I certainly trust you on those two! Also although my PCs were matte black and I regularly shot them in 35+ degrees, they never changed in consistency so something must be right there.

What is very interesting is your comment that there is a trough to the draw force curve of your *recurve* limbs - this would be a wonderful thing, are you saying that it is a possibility?