Border Black Douglas

[dangeneral]

I have an older Black Douglas Mark 11 riser what has to be done to make it accept Xp 3o or Hex 5 limbs ?

Would be thankful fo all help,
Dan

[BorderBows]

Improvements to the MKII riser are all based round speed and riser stability. The MKII is not Fastflight proof, which is where some of the issues arrise. You would be better getting a new riser, to take advantage of the speed/efficiency improvements.

The Speed gains also come from stiffening up the riser, to reduce parasitic loss of energy. So to denote the change in performance levels, we changed the size of the pin that locates the limbs.

The XP limb technology will help increase grouping/arrow consistency, with the Hex 4 now being our starter limb, if there are some XP10/XP30 limbs that suit on a new riser you would probably get a smile from these improvements alone with out having to go over budget. We are about to release a new price list!

We would modify some XP10 limbs to work on that riser, but the extra energy in the newer limbs would be best suited to our newer risers especailly now that the CX option is now standard. £270 for a standard riser, and £270 for the hex4. This means that its almost as cheap as the hex 4 with riser as it was for the hex 4 alone. The Extra advantage is that the older XP30/XP10s are now obsolete so are discounted but limited. see our web site for them...

In short, the performance gain you would get comes from 2 things. The suitability of the riser to take fast flight and other modern strings, and the better design of limb, whichever limb you choose.

Hope that gives your good food for thought.

Send us an email, again, though our website Archery Bow Making - Border Archery Scotland for more info?

Regards

Sid

[dangeneral]

Thanks Sid,
What is the age of the Mark 11 ? and does it have any resale value?

[BorderBows]

We often get asked questions about the values of bows that people find in there lofts, and our standard answer is, depends on how much someone is willing to pay for it.
There might be someone wanting one badly, we cant predict that one.
There are some Border Bows collectors out there, but its the older ones that are the exclusive. What we can say is we as a company try our best to help maintain second hand values/ ease of sale for dealers by making shedua a compulsary timber as one of the woods in the riser on take down bows. What this does is, make sure to our best ability, that the limbs and risers are colour matched, should you sell or buy any Black Douglas part, from any other place. (or at a later lime).

As for the age of the mkII. We stopped the large pin around 10 years ago, but send us your serial number and we can tell you a more accurate date.

[dangeneral]

Sid,
Thanks for all your help I now have a riser with xp 30
limbs, if you have any HEX 4 limbs 50# - 60 #
available new or used please let me know price "US"
and method of payment.
In the event that none are available can you give me
a price for that same pound range and availability
in HEX 5 ?
Dan

[BorderBows]

We have several options at that bow weight in stock at the moment

We have 3 lengths of Black Douglas Field bow 17",19" and 21" (Ultra, Swift, Original), and 2 target versions 23/25 inch. (mirage)

The Ultra has different limb pocket angles,This is so that it can keep its performance, it has different setup information writen on the same limb. the naming for the swift and Original are for example 60"/62" for the total lenght depending on which riser they are put. But they would also make 58" on a Ultra. (we will leave the mirage risers for the moment)
The difference the limb pocket angle makes is as a rough rule 3lbs gets added to a ultra limb if its a writen up as a Swift/Original. If the limb is a ultra limb say at 50lbs then it would make 47lbs on a swift or original... or a Swift/Original at 50lbs would be 53lbs on a ultra.

if you followed that one then here are the options...


Black Douglas Ultra Hex 4
60" 53lbs Black Limb Finish (3892)
58" 52lbs Black Limb Finish (4659)


we also have:
Hex4
64"/66" 55lbs Black (3913)
60"/62" 61lbs Black (4523)
62"/64" Bamboo Cores 60lbs Black (4149)
58"/60" 53lbs Black (1049)
58"/60" 54lbs Black (4535)

Hex4-W GLX

56" Ultra 50lbs Elm Limb Finish (5200)
58"/60" 55lbs Elm Limb Finish (5207)
60"/62" 51lbs Elm Limb Finish (5658)

Forgot to say....
Whats your draw length, and where abouts are you?


Pick a limb and we can sort out a price...

[dangeneral]

Mr. Sid,

WHat is your price on either (4149) or (3913) and prefered method of payment please.

Thanks Dan