XP Carbon

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by BorderBows

What if there is no patent?

We dont tell anyone about our ideas just for this reason, Our products are the way they are, dont ask us why! The lack of technical info on our contruction is for this reason. .

That approach worked well for Coca cola, but Pepsi made a copy.
It's probably the best way to continue as the real value is in workmanship and performance.
Anyone could lay up cross ply fibres and still produce a poor limb!

Don't they say immitation is the greatest form of flattery?

[BorderBows]

immitation doesnt pay the staff! We are flattered, but thats only half the feelings.

Also, bragging you invented it and shouting it from the roof tops isnt making our staff feel great either, but thats what happens when you spend more on advertising and sponcership than R&D. Maybe we have it round the wrong way! We want to make a good bow for you to shoot. We want to be proud of our inventions and our product. Not Immitate and shout louder!

There should be a Looky-Likey tread started.

The Choice of World Top Archers
is:
Black Widow Custom Bows: Browsing PSA Take-Down Recurves

The Choice of World Top Archers
is:
Black Widow Custom Bows: Browsing PL II, III, V and X Longbows


And the well known Cartel VS Cavaler tab issues!!

Im sure there are many others. but its not leading the industry.

these are good companies, making good products, but its so easy to imitate. What would happen to archery if these real innovators were not there! im sure the looky-likies would be making a looky-likey of an inferior product!
And you would be shooting inferior gear, if the looky-likey world had to lead the way!

[krela]

The choice of world top archers is:


...


whoever pays the most.

Patents were originally supposed to be easy to obtain (given you had the right to the patent) and to protect inventors from people ripping off their designs.

In reality they only really protect the interests of the big corporations because the smaller more innovative businesses cannot afford to patent their designs nor can they afford to spend the money on litigation lawyers to protect them, where big corporations can. This problem is particularly highlighted in niche markets where investment and high turnovers are hard to come by.

I guess the border vs win&win simply highlights that problem.

[BorderBows]

we have shown our development ideas in our post about "Our Problems".

Not sure Win&Win, Hoyt, Samick have these levels of thought process. Recurve shape has a massive impact on stored energy levels.
We can tell you, that long draw lengths, high poundages and long shots will exagerate a good efficent bow design. Thats where our Hex 5 excels. But thats also where the Hex5 in shorter draw lenghts excel too. As its apples for apples. Someone with a 26" draw length needs every help they can get.
The concept we have been working on is a simple one. And we have stuck to as much as we can. A company that copies, flips from one paradigm to another.
The idea of changeing very very expensive tooling for mass production is not what these companies want to do. So experimenting with recurve shape is very expensive.

We have shown that with good design and good understanding of materials you can stiffen up a limb design, and increase the stored energy in the bow. achiving flatter cast and still maintain stability.
As we said, How far can this go... We are not sure, but why are we waisting our money on this form of idea. Simple, The smoothness of shot, the feeling of speed, and the knowledge of what you have in your hand is the most advanced thought process made into production with materails available gives us a smile. All this Patent this Patent that, doesnt make it the best.
BTW. Have a look at samicks construction too. Lol Bias carbon... is that not 45degree double angled carbon... Yickes!

is that not XP too.

in all markets the most spent on marketting and hype rarely have the best product!

We are not hiding! We will pitch our limbs in with the best on the market. The lack of hype doesnt detract from the preformance!

[greygoose]

Originally Posted by BorderBows

Patented ideas have intelectual rights but not if they are in the hands of the mass market!!!

We have had XP carbon out for a while. 11 years. How come the INNO limb has a surprising "Patented" 45 degree double angled carbon... the X in XP10 XP30 hex 4 hex5 Xp10 evolution all stands for this double angled idea. This technology has been in your hands for a decade! lol

Hi,
Judging from the number of Inno limbs, and others I may add, which have been reported on this forum as being rejected and sent back , it seems that while an idea can be easy to copy, quality is not. Especially by some far Eastern mass production factory.
I wonder what the result would be if we all had the ability and means to subject new limbs to an in depth and rigorous inspection. I suspect that a surprising number of far eastern limbs would be found to be less than the expected standard.
Greygoose