New Hoyt Limb hardware competiable with Borders?

[Jay.g]

Hey guys,

Read somewhere on the forum that the new improved Hoyt limb hardware, the black ones, first fitted onto hoyt risers when the Helix was first released, seems to be a bit discriminative on the limbs that'd shoot properly off it. Would the border limbs have any problem with this? Any Experiences with this?

My inquiry is limited to a certain 2006 Hoyt aerotec and I'm not even sure if those hardwares were even fitted onto them... Were they?

cheers
Jay

[BorderBows]

We have been informed that the black limb bolts were aluminium. Not having seen any of the issues ourselves, so we can only speculate. longer limbs would achive higher leverage ratios on any bolt, but this could make the bolts snap as alumunim has a fategue life much shorter then steel. This is the only issue we have heard of, and rumour has it that our limbs were to blame from what we heard.. I beleave that the some of the guys here on AIUK can elaborate more than we can.

This might have been a bigger issue if shortcuts were taken and the bolts were adjusted while the bow was strung. meaning a greater chance of more stress being added to the weaker aluminum bolt.

if thats not the issue then its a new one to us...


What we can say is that the forces applied to our limb butts are just the same as any other limb, as 40lbs on the same standard fitting is still 40lbs. and there are plenty of hoyt riser/border limbs archers out there shooting our 72" limbs with no problems and the 2 instances that we heard of the black bolts snapping were dealt with by the respective retailers, and we never saw the problem 1st hand.

[Wrexham Exile]

Originally Posted by BorderBows

We have been informed that the black limb bolts were aluminium. Not having seen any of the issues ourselves, so we can only speculate. longer limbs would achive higher leverage ratios on any bolt, but this could make the bolts snap as alumunim has a fategue life much shorter then steel. This is the only issue we have heard of, and rumour has it that our limbs were to blame from what we heard.. I beleave that the some of the guys here on AIUK can elaborate more than we can.

This might have been a bigger issue if shortcuts were taken and the bolts were adjusted while the bow was strung. meaning a greater chance of more stress being added to the weaker aluminum bolt.

if thats not the issue then its a new one to us...


What we can say is that the forces applied to our limb butts are just the same as any other limb, as 40lbs on the same standard fitting is still 40lbs. and there are plenty of hoyt riser/border limbs archers out there shooting our 72" limbs with no problems and the 2 instances that we heard of the black bolts snapping were dealt with by the respective retailers, and we never saw the problem 1st hand.

i saw one of these limbs bolts snap first hand and it was NOT with a border limb, so i guess its a general problem. i cant vouch if they were adjusted while strung as i did not know the archer but he seemed a decent shot and not the sort who would have done that.

[Jay.g]

Ah Okay, is anyone be able to confirm that the 2006 edition Aerotecs/Matrix had these black limb hardwares?

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Jay.g

Ah Okay, is anyone be able to confirm that the 2006 edition Aerotecs/Matrix had these black limb hardwares?

I think Kae's your man, unless I'm very much mistaken he had a set of the black limb bolts break and it was with Border limbs (not that I'm implying for one minute that that was the reason it's just that you mentioned them specifically).

[Kae]

Did I hear my name

Thanks for the headsup on this Worthipa.

Yes, Hoyt's new limb bolts that are painted black are now alluminnium, rather than steel as they used to be.
I believe this is a genuine problem, and I know of several cases where these have snapped involving Border and Hoyt Limbs.
From what I have heard, Hoyt are trying to push the idea that Border limbs are to blame for this and that the ILF is not a universal standard so they can't be blamed bla bla bla.

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This bow was never adjusted whilst strung and only ever had the very best care taken of it (yes, I can be a bit anal about my equipment).
This bow was one of the first couple that came into the county, and I had it straight out off the delivery, so I know it wasn't played with before I received it.
I now have original stainless steel bolts, and will not be going back to these black bolts. The black (alluminnium) bolts are lighter, but I don't want another lump on my head and another pair of knackered limbs. Also I can't tell the difference in weight (but I do shoot a heavy setup).

All that's required to avoid this is to check the limb bolts when your putting your bow together. They start to break on the join of the head to the body (you can see where they are broken on the picture) so just look for cracks.

After speaking to a couple of enginneer's this is considered a very bad design and they can't understand why they were changed from SS to alluminnium.

However, it has to be said that there are only a few isolated problems and I wouldn't want anyone to think I was scaremongering. It is worth keeping an eye on your equipment though.

Kae.

[Jay.g]

Well orginially i never intended for this thread to be about the bolt-design/breakages but it's a very interesting point to note as well, i just wondered if the border limbs actually fitted into the 2006+ risers well.

[Alandee]

Originally Posted by Jay.g

i just wondered if the border limbs actually fitted into the 2006+ risers well.

Yes they do, I have had several different Border limbs in, an Aerotec, Matrix and Helix, all fitted with no problems.

[Kae]

Originally Posted by Jay.g

Well orginially i never intended for this thread to be about the bolt-design/breakages but it's a very interesting point to note as well, i just wondered if the border limbs actually fitted into the 2006+ risers well.

Yep, better than some hoyt limbs actually!

Kae.

[Jay.g]

Brilliant jt been waiting for someone to say that!