scoring differences limited vs unlimited

[sambow]

Are there any scoring differences between shooting compound limited and unlimited? For example on portsmouths, does it still have to be the inner ring for a ten?

[Furface]

Nope - a Compound bow is all that is referred to, and that includes both limited and unlimited.

[Jerry Tee]

As usual limited compound archers tend to be ignored. This goes for the classification scores as well. I was told that there are not enough scores to collate, then I thought how is that known? the scores are not collected, we are just lumped in with unlimited and call 'compound'. We could do with a three zone ten outer recurve middle limited and inner unlimited. Its got so bad that some clubs scoring software won't recognise compound limited class.

[Furface]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tee

...This goes for the classification scores as well. I was told that there are not enough scores to collate, then I thought how is that known? the scores are not collected,....

Well, as it happens, scores were collected. Everyone (at least those who receive Archery UK, so let's say nearly all members of GNAS) was asked to send in scores. We received enough to make a reassessment of most bowstyles. The Compound Limited scores we did receive were so few that they couldn't be used to form the basis of a new set of classifications. It's very much chicken and egg: do we need classifications to tap into the Compound Limited market; or does the Compound Limited market need to provide more scores to justify a classification scheme. Sorry, but I'm with the latter!

Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons. There are far too many different classes anyway! to the point of it been in my opinion pathetic.

A compound is a compound end of story, whether you shoot with fingers or release aid it is your choice no-one if forcing you. I shoot field, but because I use a release have to go in the unlimited class, even though I do not use a scope, "my Choice" as I cannot be bothered moving the sight up and and time wasting (in my opinion) like some who do, not all though, must emphasise that.

I also shoot on occasions a Longbow and now my new toy a Grozer Hun bow, so lets now take this class system to its extreme. My longbow I have to shoot with one finger above the nock, my hun I can shoot with all fingers under the nock but only in XYZ catagory.

How about I learn to shoot the Hun bow the traditional way which is using my thumb, no fingers at all, can I have a seperate class just for me please sir, because its not fare that I have to shoot with these other people. Oh by the way I wish to sit on my horse while shooting as well! as the Hun bow is a horseback bow, as I said PATHETIC.

Everthing I shoot is my personal choice, if I don't like it tough, I will change. As the old saying goes 'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

I will just add I am not a member of GNAS as they have too many stupid nit picking rules & reg's, the one that really gets up my nose is dress, I shoot a bow for the sport of archery and enjoyment, not to join a stupid fashion parade.

Right all that said I will now sit back and wait for all the flack to come back in my direction, been a Yorkshire man though I say what I think and if anyone out there does't like it. "TOUGH".
I suggest you take serious note of my signature statement.

[pantherman]

Well to keep the cat happy....
If enough people want to shoot the different divisions, let them.
For field unmarked/3D a 5 pin is as good as a scope......
(Ref Chris Lovelock a pin shooter who stuffed everyone at the NFAS unlimited nationals and me at the EFAA Nationals).
A finger shooter will of equal ability will not compete with a release shooter!!!
A release is the biggist advange to compound shooting.
The difference at the recent EFAA Nationals were 92 points between BL and BU (the 2 5 pin styles) and 29 between UL and BU. So a release aid is worth 92 points and a scope/bubble and long rod, worth 29......
At the last NFAS national, UL 1568, CL 1358, BH 1300......
So a 5 pin is worth 58 points, and a release 210!!!!

[archery_mum]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tee

Its got so bad that some clubs scoring software won't recognise compound limited class.

Ours recognises any class you want to setup and we do get a variety of different types of bow. Where possible our tournament organisers will try and accomodate anyone even if they are the only person shooting in that class.

Originally Posted by Horsebowman

How about I learn to shoot the Hun bow the traditional way which is using my thumb, no fingers at all

Interesting point, after seeing the article in the current Bow magazine I was going to buy a thumb ring to try - but would this just be for fun or is there a class you can shoot in.

Originally Posted by Sambow

Are there any scoring differences between shooting compound limited and unlimited? For example on portsmouths, does it still have to be the inner ring for a ten?

The only comments I have ever heard on limited/unlimited is from recurve archers who expressed an opinion that compound is compound no matter how it is shot

[Random_guy]

Originally Posted by Furface

....at least those who receive Archery UK, so let's say nearly all members of GNAS....

Haha, ha, ha, funny.....

[sambow]

Agreed. I was a member 18 months before I got my copy and even that was only becuase I made a personal phone call complaining so I was immediately added to the database. I forgot to mention three of my children were also members, so naturally they don't get a copy 26 months on!(althoughtthey get their membership cards OK). I would be well unhappy if advertised in Archery UK in the expectation that all GNAS members get it!

Anyways I think we've got side tracked and I am as guilty as the rest. But its always interesting to see how the simplest of questions raises such interesting debates.

IMHO I would expect greater accuracy shooting with a release and rear peep compared to fingers and no peep. So I am surprised the scoring is the same. but then rules are rules.

Originally Posted by Random_guy

Haha, ha, ha, funny.....

[Jerry Tee]

Originally Posted by sambow

IMHO I would expect greater accuracy shooting with a release and rear peep compared to fingers and no peep. So I am surprised the scoring is the same. but then rules are rules.

And you would be right.

So why not come up with scores for third class to bowman based on the national records? Some thing like that would be better than nothing at all, Ok at Mb and GMB levels things should stay as they are.