Is this viable, or just made for the film?

[Colin KC]

Gtek says about a compound without a cable guide in Rambo II here: http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...36-post38.html

Is this something that can be done with a compound?

or

Would it be a stoopid thing to do?


Ta

[Schme1440]

Compounds with out cable gaurd is possible. You just need a shoot through system. However I none shoot through without cable gaurd does not sound possible. Im sure Chris and Ben at Merlin may have tested something similar so they would know.

[phil_r_58]

Originally Posted by Colin KC

Gtek says about a compound without a cable guide in Rambo II here: http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...36-post38.html

Is this something that can be done with a compound?

or

Would it be a stoopid thing to do?


Ta

Yes it was done in the early days of two wheel compounds. The eccentric wheels were made very wide, so the power cables were well off to the side of the arrow. To support the ultra wide wheels, they were mounted on downward facing hanger brackets, so they were also very heavy.

[Colin KC]

I'm trying to find a simple bow (achully a take-down compound) & found these from the 80's






Both without cable guides & both take-downable, why is there nothing similar today?

[Kae]

and the Bladerunner compound bow for example.....

[Jerry Tee]

Originally Posted by Colin KC

I'm trying to find a simple bow (achully a take-down compound) & found these from the 80's






Both without cable guides & both take-downable, why is there nothing similar today?

Compounds are not generally take downs, Yes they have a metal riser and detachable limbs. But to get the limbs off you need a bow press. Because on most compounds if you undo the limb bolts there is not enough thread on the bolts to let all the weight off the bow. So when you undo them there will be a crash and a nasty accident.

If you try to take the guide bar out of the design of a compound you will make the bow more complex rather than simpler. You have to use a four cable system or go the Blade runner / Oneida route.

Is it viable? Just about but don't expect it to shoot well.

[Colin KC]

I hear what you're saying Jerry, but both those (& a couple of others I unnerstand) are take-downable (with relative ease & proper "not go all twangy hurtyness") & don't go the "four cable route (or am I missing something here?)

& as for not being accurate, well, I've got a loooong way to go before I outgrow even an averagely consiistant compound setup (which I'm sure those can be made to be with modern cables & cams, better than 80's arrows & suitable add-ons, or am I wrong?

[Jerry Tee]

A shoot through system with four cables has to have the exact lenght of each cable matched to the others to avoid tuning issues and cam lean. This is done by letting the bow down and putting twists in the cables.
The only bow that I know of that IMO can be easily taken down and put back up again with a good chance of shooting well and not getting into a cats cradle is the Monster Phoenix. You can have a look at them on Main Home Page They are a simple lever action camless bows that have two cables and a shoot through system. With no guide bar.

[Colin KC]

Originally Posted by Jerry Tee

A shoot through system with four cables has to have the exact lenght of each cable matched to the others to avoid tuning issues and cam lean. This is done by letting the bow down and putting twists in the cables.
The only bow that I know of that IMO can be easily taken down and put back up again with a good chance of shooting well and not getting into a cats cradle is the Monster Phoenix. You can have a look at them on Main Home Page They are a simple lever action camless bows that have two cables and a shoot through system. With no guide bar.

Hmmm, remind you of anything Jerry? Trying to get me back into the Oneida groove aintchya? Well it won't work I tell yah! Nice bows though

[Jerry Tee]

If you want no cable guide then get an Oneida. If you want no cable guide and the abitilty to take the bow down without a bow press and put it back up with a chance of shooting well then its Monster
The Pack Rat is a hunk of junk. You only have to look at their idea of joining arrows in the middle, creating a weak point in the middle of the arrow to realise that this is not a good idea.