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Old 19-10-06, 11:44 AM
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Please can someone explain why...

Last night I shot two other members Ultratecs, and they shot my bow.

When I shot their bows, my arrows landed around the 7/8 line at 3 o'clock. When they shot mine, their arrows landed around 7/8 line at 9 o'clock.

Can anyone explain to me why that would be? The only differences I can think of are that I shoot with shooting frames with a prescription lens for my right eye and a blind for my left eye. They both shoot both eyes open. If it's not that there must be something in my technique that sends the arrows to the right, which I have corrected with the scope position.

Anyway I decided I liked the Ultratecs enough to go and buy a second hand one from Aardvark. New toy arrives tomorrow
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Old 19-10-06, 11:50 AM
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Could be something to do with your anchor point. All peoples faces are a different shape, and your release aid my be different too. You adjust your sight etc to accomodate your individual attributes etc. So your bow and the Ultratech's setup will be slightly different. Same goes for peep site adjustment too.
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Old 19-10-06, 11:52 AM
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Could also be your set up. If your arrow rest's are not in the same place in relation to the string then this would also cause the difference. Also it could be down to your Bow arm. If yours Moves to the right and theirs does not or yours doesnt move but theirs moves to the left then this could also be a factor. Most likely its the arrow rest alignment.
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Could be something to do with your anchor point. All peoples faces are a different shape, and your release aid my be different too. You adjust your sight etc to accomodate your individual attributes etc. So your bow and the Ultratech's setup will be slightly different. Same goes for peep site adjustment too.
Cant be anchor as the sight and peep keeps everything in line.
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Cant be anchor as the sight and peep keeps everything in line.
The sight and peep DO Not keep your release hand in line, that is a variable depending on the shape of your face, hand size, release aid type etc. No way can you expect to pick up someone elses bow, use your release aid and expect the arrows to land in the same place as your bow. It might, if all the variables are the same...and they probably won't be.
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Old 19-10-06, 12:04 PM
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Could also be your set up. If your arrow rest's are not in the same place in relation to the string then this would also cause the difference. Also it could be down to your Bow arm. If yours Moves to the right and theirs does not or yours doesnt move but theirs moves to the left then this could also be a factor. Most likely its the arrow rest alignment.
I'm not sure. Two people shot my bow, and shot to the left. I shot their bows and shot to the right. If I shoot my bow the arrows go in the middle and of course if they shoot their bows the arrows go in the middle. So it is something that is differnent about me, not the bows. They didn't shoot each others bows, but I'd guess that they would both shoot in the middle with each others bows.

I think it must be something to do with how I see through the peep and scope compared to them, but I don't understand what.
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The sight and peep DO Not keep your release hand in line, that is a variable depending on the shape of your face, hand size, release aid type etc. No way can you expect to pick up someone elses bow, use your release aid and expect the arrows to land in the same place as your bow. It might, if all the variables are the same...and they probably won't be.
If it aint the peep and sight whats the point of the peep? Different anchors and techniques can give differences but thats due to push and pull pressures.
How can the anchor make left to right differences if the peep and sight are still in line?
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There are so many small variables to consider, the grip on each bow type may be different too. That alone may encourage left and right, up and down variation. Once a bow is setup, as long as nothing moves/changes that is pretty much a constant, however people are a total variable, when you tune a bow, you are also tuning it to you the individual archer.

I don't think it's anything to be worried about Mike.
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Old 19-10-06, 12:13 PM
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The sight and peep DO Not keep your release hand in line, that is a variable depending on the shape of your face, hand size, release aid type etc. No way can you expect to pick up someone elses bow, use your release aid and expect the arrows to land in the same place as your bow. It might, if all the variables are the same...and they probably won't be.
Thanks Rich. It was just coincidence that they appear to shoot to the same place.

Does this mean that:
  • if the release aid and release action was in perfect line with the arrow/peep/scope, and the hand was not anchored on the face
  • We could still see through the peep/scope
we'd get a cleaner shot?

Sorry complicated sentence...
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Old 19-10-06, 12:14 PM
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Agreed nothing to worry about. As long as you are happy with your shooting then dont worry about it. However the one thing that would stand out for me that would make such a difference is the arrow rest alignment. Other things may cause it but rest alignment would have the biggest affect.
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