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[pwiles1968]

Originally Posted by simon m

Just gotta quote from merlin for 12 plus nocks and inserts if there as good as marcus says i'm ordering some after payday!.

X10's are soooo last year darling!

How Much are they from Merlin?

[simon m]

You have PM

[jadlem]

The wife bought me a set of FMJs for xmas. I can testify to how well they shoot. First used them on a 3d shoot on new years eve and they were punching out the back of some new Mckenzie 3d targets.

Shot them again on newyears day, FITA marked round, they went through the practise butt!

Shot them again at a normal club night and they were punching out the back of a brand new straw boss from Perris (the ones that feel like concrete)

Shot a PB last night on a portsmouth with them too (beat my previous pb shot with cobalts by 5 points). 400spine 27" with screw in points 100gr. they weigh in at just over 400 grains with 2.25" bohning xvanes in shield cut. (The xvanes seem to be the only vanes that can cope with going all the way through a boss on a regular basis!) A friend at the club liked em so much he's just bought a set too!

Who needs expensive arrows??

The wifes jealous, she needs them in 600 spine. Not an available option

I used to have a set of indoor arrows, a set of outdoor arrows and a set for field. Now I only take one set into the shower.

[stever]

Originally Posted by Marcus26

I got some 3-18 unibushings in and they fit, but don't go out to the alloy. However I have been unable to get any nocks into the ushings, including G nocks. No idea why.
Wasn't thilled with the fit anyway so I'll go the standard Beiters.

Got hold of Axix FMJ's from a shop, they are great, the extra weight does help but as stated 90 M is a strugle.
I also tried 3-18 and the G nocks fit?
Which Beiter nock?

I bought a set last week and tried them in my compound at 70m. I shouldn't have been I guess, but I was surprised that I had to use my 90m sight setting to get them to land in the middle at 70m. When I got them there they grouped extremely well but as I was shooting a comp that day I chose to use my Triples as normal. I'm hoping to do more testing these coming weeks.

Very impressive arrows. I don't much like the nocks but I haven't got anything else that fits them at present.

Re damaging butts. All compounds seem to damage butts. If you are going to ban arrows/bows that cause "undue" damage (whatever that means) then I can see compounds being banned and I think that is a lousy idea.

Perhaps we should use those old sucker caps on the end of our arrows and just let 'em stick to the target instead of going into them.

[Jerry Tee]

You could probably do just as much damage with a 380 X10 but it would cost me a lot more. A Danage boss stops them very well I have shot them at twenty yards on that boss but there is another problem there. As the boss and stand are not pegged down indoors the whole thing gets shoved back by the impact of the arrows.

[pwiles1968]

Stu they Go through Further than something like an acc but acc's would probably still go through, the FMJ's just dont slow down as quickly due to the Ali outer, if anything carbon arrows that pass through and slow down quickly may cause more long term damage by dishing the boss out at the rear.

I would guess that FMJ's couse no more damage than platinums my 2315's pass through most bosses.

[Jerry Tee]

If you choose an arrow that is less deflected by wind it stands to reason that it will be less deflected by anything including bosses.

[Jerry Tee]

Mass per unit of frontal area of the projectile The X10 has smaller frontal area but is 50 grains lighter and will arrive faster, not a lot of difference .
The difference is that up until now me and lots of people like me have not been able to afford and arrow that gives this type of performance we would have settled for ACC's or perhapps an all carbon arrow. Light fat and gets blown all over the place and easy for a boss to stop.I have seen what an 380 X10 can do with a tungsten point on two occasions Firstly at the East Anglian champs when some one using that arrow had to have another boss put up to make a twin boss target. I was shooting at the British target Champs on the same target as J. Mynott who was using X10s that were punching through the boss and through the backstop nappy on the back of the target. You can't just ban the the axis FMJ and let the X10 through so where do you go from there??? ban compounds????

I take our point about the damage being caused to targets but I don't think you can particularly blame the FMJ Axis arrow anymore than most other arrows.

They aren't a particularly thick arrow - Easton describes them as being slim. They are certainly no worse than my ACCs. I routinely spray my arrows with silicone to ensure that they extract easily from the targets and I can assure you that my Triples and X10s penetrate much further than the FMJs - at least on my club targets.

I really think this is more of an issue for the targets themselves. I also detect a hint of disapproval of the use of compound bows. There is nothing particularly startling in compounds destroying straw butts quickly. Some of our clubs use Stramit boards for their competitions (bloody awful stuff) and I can usually guarantee pass throughs on brand new Stramit board within a short space of time using my bow (a 60# Mathews Prestige which is fast) and Triples and X10s with silicone sprayed on them.

I really don't think straw bosses are the answer if you have compound shooters at your club