Is Dloop twist OK?

[sambow]

How important is it that the dloop string remains in a vertical plane like the bowstring? If the release twists it so it is horizontal is this OK?

The reason I ask:

My son switched to compound a few months ago. One of the things I noticed was when he rotated the release to make a comfortable anchor, the D-Loop ended up being twisted and the shots went very wrong (scattered bif time). I assumed that since he was holding very little weight (peak draw only 17lbs!, so holding about 6lbs !) the twisted dloop may be moving the string on release. We solved the problem by switching to a wrist release which enabled a comfortable anchor without twisting the dloop.

I have recently taken up compound too and after a little while with a wrist release I have decided to try a hand held release (Merlin Omega). I have noticed when studying photos of top compound archers, they align their hand so the back of the hand is against their face. But with my hand held release and many others, this position would result in the dloop being twisted horizontally. Is this OK and if not how are they doing it?

[geoffretired]

Over the last few months, I have made three release aids that were built so the jaw doesn't twist the d-loop when the hand is held with the back against the side of the face. The release was quicker than my normal one, but I couldn't say it was better. On light poundage there might be a greater effect on the quality of the release. One thing to try is the d-loop fitted under the arrow as a horizontal loop rather than vertical. I think it's called catfish loop. There was a thread about this. I'll try to find it.

[geoffretired]

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Does this help?

[pwiles1968]

I dont think twisting makes much if any difference at all, as long as it is consistent.

[geoffretired]

I am unable to find the link to the earlier thread about d-loops twisting. The picture I just posted isn't quite what I wanted either. However fig 1 will do as a starter. With the loop passed round the bow string. pass one end of the loop through the other, like you do to join elastic bands end to end. Then pull tight and arrange the loop to be horizontal. The loop is wrapped round the bowstring and serves as the bottom nocking point. When the release aid is fitted in, the loop will be untwisted when at full draw.

[ThePinkOne]

Originally Posted by sambow

How important is it that the dloop string remains in a vertical plane like the bowstring? If the release twists it so it is horizontal is this OK?

The reason I ask:

My son switched to compound a few months ago. One of the things I noticed was when he rotated the release to make a comfortable anchor, the D-Loop ended up being twisted and the shots went very wrong (scattered bif time). I assumed that since he was holding very little weight (peak draw only 17lbs!, so holding about 6lbs !) the twisted dloop may be moving the string on release. We solved the problem by switching to a wrist release which enabled a comfortable anchor without twisting the dloop.

I have recently taken up compound too and after a little while with a wrist release I have decided to try a hand held release (Merlin Omega). I have noticed when studying photos of top compound archers, they align their hand so the back of the hand is against their face. But with my hand held release and many others, this position would result in the dloop being twisted horizontally. Is this OK and if not how are they doing it?

It's about consistency IMO. I've been playing about with different release hand positions for a few months and you can cause torque effects by shuffling the (draw) hand. The key for me is keeping good hand-wrist-elbow alignment (all in a straight line) it's actually quite easy to bend the wrist without realizing. One way for me to get that consistency is to have a feel of hand against face in a consistent way- which means (with shape of my face) that I am at about a 45 degree angle. However, I also have to think "push wrist out" as if I bend wrist it causes torque- that gets the hand (and back/elbow) position correct.

I cannot get that consistency of hand position horizontal. For those who can- well done. I cannot.

Conclusions of my experiments: I think the variation is far more down to hand position than any twist in d-loop. In my case anyhow. Shoot a few bareshafts at short range to show up hand-torque and find what works for you...

JMO though.

P.

[simon m]

I recentely changed to a carter fits me(similar to merlin omega) and because i was shooting a truball with rotating head i was worried about this also, however because the truball had a longer head & I hold the fits me in a fist(allowing a squeezed release rather than "push the button" type) rather than in my fingers so I had to extend my D-loop to allow my shoulders to get back to the same place and anchor similarly, this longer d-loops twists easily as it has more material, in reality its only a quarter twist anyway