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Old 10-12-05, 02:35 AM
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Of those I've seen, the best by far (if you want a safety), is the Carter Solution 2 or 2.5. It has a safety release that means travel to release starts from wherever you disengage the safety. Always the same amount of travel. Others I've seen will sometimes go off when the safety is disengaged, if you are past the release point.
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Old 10-12-05, 07:53 AM
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The Truball Sweet Spot line works off the same principle as the Carter's - you get a fixed amount of rotation from when you flip off the safety.

The HHA mentioned earlier has a safety by virtue of the fact you have to hold down the lever at full draw to make it go.
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Old 10-12-05, 10:25 AM
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Nah tel she wouldn't touch the things. :lol: I think I'ld kill myself if she started training with a third bow.

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I feekl that the drawing arm moves in a more natural direction with one of these rather than a thumb release.
No not the case, the movement with a back tension and a thumb trigger is identical to using a recurve correctly.
In fact my wife uses the exact same muscles for both bows and is impressive with both.

The thumb release works on the same principle. You don't push the trigger inwards (to the right for a RH shooting) instead you get teh trigger deep into your hand and continue to draw through the shot. That will squeeze the handle of the release and push the trigger into your thumb activating the release.
To have this work with a thumb or a hinge BT release you pivot the release betwen teh index and second finger.

As for the HHA release, have not tried it, pretty comfortable with my releases at the moment so have not looked at changing.
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Old 10-12-05, 11:12 AM
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Jerry Tee...The one that Iam waiting for the HHA Little pull (see URL in post above) has a double shear and you have to press the lever at full draw before the back tension mechanism is activated.

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Old 15-12-05, 01:23 AM
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I use a True-Ball BT gold 4. I have to use a BT release as I have terrible target panic with anything else. Without it I simply could not shoot a Compound bow.

I know I could probably remidy this by shooting blank boss for the rest of my life but to be quite honest I now prefer the BT release anyway. You need to exercise a lot of patience with them, but they are worth the learning curve. ( I'm still learning) Shoot blank boss as much as you can to learn the feel of the shot. They are very easy to cheat as they do work OK with just a twist of the hand. But when used as they should be, with true back tension, the feeling of the shot is great and with time very repeatable. Vert little effort is needed to set them off if back tension is right. I have only just got the true hang of how to use one properly. All summer I cheated it.

I would not swap BT for anything else, even if I could. I would argue that many Compound archers suffer with TP in one way or another, some give up or get very frustrated because of it. I have read endless books on TP, mirricle cures and ideas a plenty. But The BT release is the only solution I have found to really sort the problem, or at least divert it.

I started Archery back in August 2004, shot recurve for six months, then Compound since April this year. I managed Bowman status by the end of the summer. There is no way on earth I could have done that with any other release aid. If BT releases did not exsist I would have taken up fishing or golf by now.

Oh and don't let anyone say they are no good in a wind. Used properly they are just fine in a wind.

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Old 15-12-05, 06:56 AM
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I use a True-Ball BT gold 4. I have to use a BT release as I have terrible target panic with anything else. Without it I simply could not shoot a Compound bow.

I know I could probably remidy this by shooting blank boss for the rest of my life but to be quite honest I now prefer the BT release anyway.
Target Panic is when you can't aim at a target
Practising by NOT aiming at a target doesn't work.
If someone says "ok first up shoot blank boss for 3 months" ask someone else.


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I have read endless books on TP, mirricle cures and ideas a plenty. But The BT release is the only solution I have found to really sort the problem, or at least divert it.
You have found the only cure, hard work and good release use.

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Oh and don't let anyone say they are no good in a wind. Used properly they are just fine in a wind.
I agree 100% with that. Often in teh wind I put my trigger away and pull the back tension out.

Great post Rich!
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Old 15-12-05, 10:21 AM
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Cheers Marcus,

So I get the impression you don't advocate blank boss for TP? Hmmm, you and me are going to get on. I do like blank boss to reinforce the feel of the shot though. Did/do you have TP? I had it the moment I picked up up a bow. I could never aim at a target even with a jelly bow. I moved onto a clicker very quickly, this helped a lot. Then when I moved to compound the hell was back. But I have no problem with the BT release.

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Old 15-12-05, 12:46 PM
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String & Cables: RedBack 452x
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No I think blank boss is a waste of time for target related issues.

Yeah I had it bad as a junior. We imported a Stan release from the US (no one had them in AUS then) and took it to a double FITA. Left my trigger at home to resist the urge. Every shot I shot the Stan flew out of my hand and landed at my feet. I came almost last and it was the worst 288 arrows of my archery life.
2 months later I was shooting better than ever.

I think in my life I have shot about 1 dozen shots blank target. I can do it perfectly on blank target, my problem is executing while aiming, so practising that is the best thing to do.

I honestly believe you can't trick your brain out of TP, you just have to be stronger than the urge to punch and work hard against it. Not easy, but it is the only way.
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Old 16-12-05, 12:11 AM
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Talking

HHA Little pull release finally arrived yesterday.

First time out tonight 299 Worcester..Its brill.
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Old 16-12-05, 10:15 AM
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Once again I'm in complete agreement with Marcus on both these issues.

With a thumb release a deep grip (i.e. where the barrel of the trigger is in contact with the bony part of the top joint of the thumb, rather than the squishy pad on the tip of the thumb) will allow the release to be triggered by continued application of pressure in the other fingers.

As far as blank-boss shooting goes, I agreed that it's a waste of time. The trick is to learn to shoot properly when aiming at the target, not when aiming at nothing.

I'm a very firm advocate of keeping things as simple as possible. Stand up straight; draw the bow in a straight line (this is especially important with compound bows); put the sight in the middle; execute the shot. That's it. Nothing more complicated. Don't get obsessed with whether the sight is EXACTLY in the middle. On every shot think about nothing other than these four simple steps: after all, they are so simple that any competent archer can do them. If you keep you mind focussed on doing the simple things well, there'll be no room for doubt to creep-in (and what is target panic, if it isn't doubt?), and we should all be confident that we can do simple things well. Shouldn't we?

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