Archery Interchange the UK Archery Forum  

Go Back   Archery Interchange the UK Archery Forum > The Shooting Line > Compound Bow: Discussion/Q&A

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 11-04-07, 06:00 PM
It's an X
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Poole uk
Posts: 4,769

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

When you set the Evo, to start with you just need it to be heavier than the bow's holding weight so it doesn't release with the safety trigger. To find the best release weight for you is found by trial and improve. If you were new to compound or have an erratic draw routine, a large gap between the two is needed to prevent the release going before you are ready. If you have a very well controlled draw you will be able to set the Evo closer to the holding weight, should you want to. Some prefer the higher weight as they tend to pull hard into the stops with any release.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote


  #12 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 03:05 AM
Marcus26's Avatar
Misses the Rep System
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Hoyt Vantage X7
Limbs: XT1000
Sight: AX3000 & 7x Scope
Stabilisers: 34" ACE
Button: Scott Longhorn IV Red
Bow String: RedBack Strings 452x
Arrows: Easton X7 2315's

Setup
Bow: Hoyt UltraElite XT2000 C2
String & Cables: RedBack 452x
Sight: Axell AX3000
Stabs:
Scope: Specialty Scope 7x
Launcher/Rest: Trophy Taker SS 2
Arrows: Easton Protour 470's 27"
Release Aid: Carter Insatiable 3
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Eating sugar cubes
Posts: 2,545

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: No Affiliation
Club: Diamond Valley Archers
Commercial: Trader/Retailer
Commercial Interest: Urban Archery/Beiter
GNAS Classification: GMB
IFAA Classification: Unclassified

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

I've been shooting one for about 3 weeks now. This is my exclusive release now.
I set mine up by starting high and working down, however I found that did not work well. I could make it fire sometimes, but not consistantly.
I then changed tact and set it light and worked up. That was better.
I have mine 2-3lb heavier than I hold.
I have also found the following
• Rear scapula setup is vital. I must set it low and not lift it to move to anchor, rather rotate my arm.
• It is too easy to not pull hard enough before releasing the safety. This leads to anticipation (for me) so if I make sure I am pulling firmly first the release fires faster and I aim steadier.
• I am now keeping my thumb resting on the safety while executing. At a FITA on Sunday I twice flinched and pushed the release into my thumb. This re-engaged the safety by accident leaving me at half draw going 'oh crap oh crap oh crap'. That would have been 2 misses had I tucked my thumb away taking me from 1st to 5th.
• Get your bow shoulder as close to the arrow as you can, and keep it low. This helps prevent left shots.
• Stick with it. My first 50m round with it was a 326, and 3 weeks later shot 345. If I had swapped and changed I would have gone no where.


I'm very happy. I felt I had hit a wall with my trigger where the next improvement stage was going to be slow and difficult. This release has in a short time taught me so much about my own execution and where my flaws were. I now feel like I have a huge room to improve, and am scoring the same as I was before.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 08:59 AM
MikeD's Avatar
In the Gold
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Flame
Limbs: Hoyt Ultratech
Sight: Toxonics 5-pin
Stabilisers: Doinker
Button: Cavalier Long Reach
Bow String: Orange and Black
Arrows: Cheetah 3D

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dunfermline
Posts: 610

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: GNAS/IFAA
Club: Forest Spirit Archers
Commercial: Publisher (Archery Web Site)
Commercial Interest: Archery-Equipment-UK.com
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification: GFM

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus26 View Post
• It is too easy to not pull hard enough before releasing the safety. This leads to anticipation (for me) so if I make sure I am pulling firmly first the release fires faster and I aim steadier.
• I am now keeping my thumb resting on the safety while executing. At a FITA on Sunday I twice flinched and pushed the release into my thumb. This re-engaged the safety by accident leaving me at half draw going 'oh crap oh crap oh crap'. That would have been 2 misses had I tucked my thumb away taking me from 1st to 5th.
Well I made a start last night. I had a few scary moments when I forgot to hold the safety and watched arrows bounce across the hall floor. And I discovered what the 'punch' is like, which resulted in an arrow buried 2" deep into the wood at the top of the foam boss...

The release aid was set much lower than the 19lbs suggested, in fact it was much nearer to 15lbs. Once set I started to get good results almost straight away.

Marcus your hints are going to be a great help as I try to make the change. Can I just check I understand the first bullet in the quote. Rather than drawing to the valley and releasing the safety, you draw into the wall and then release the safety?

My, very limited, experience suggests that it is important to keep moving and not to stop and then try to start to apply back tension again (very much like recurve).

Unfortunately this release requires I make changes to peep height and possibly draw length (maybe just d-loop length) so I'm going to hold off changing over till next week when I can get a session with my coach and get past the field competition on Sunday. However, after shooting with the Evo for about an hour and half last night I changed back to my thumb release and shot it better than I have for some time. So I think I'll use the Evo with a rope as a training aid between now and then, if I use Marcus's suggestion and rest my thumb on the safety any tendency to punch the trigger will stop the release happening.

Most of the club members where shooting outdoors last night, but in the hall three of us were trying back tension releases for the first time. Two With Evolution+ and one with a Loesch.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 10:09 AM
Quadratus's Avatar
In the Blue
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Eolla
Limbs: Yamaha Ceramic
Sight: Summit II
Stabilisers: Beiter
Button: Beiter
Bow String: 16 strand Fastflight
Arrows: ACE

Setup
Bow: Proelite
String & Cables: 452X homemade
Sight: Sureloc
Stabs:
Scope: True Spot
Launcher/Rest: Golden Key Infinity
Arrows: ACE 450
Release Aid: Umpteen!
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 196

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

I've been shooting my Evo very successfully for about six or seven months now – PB's on every indoor round I've shot - but I still find that occasionally I am pulling too hard when I slip the safety and the shot goes immediately. I know that a lot of would-be Evo users have developed bad flinches and given up precisely because of this. The answer for me has been to make sure I am fully on aim and to release the safety slowly and, above all, smoothly. This way if the shot does go, it will be a very good one. So, no anxiety and no flinching. I think this is pretty much Marcus' second bullet point.

The other point that seems to be particularly critical with the Evo is the balance of pressure between bowarm unit and drawing arm unit. With every other release I have used I have had my best result using "push-pull", but with the Evo I get far better results by using "just pull". I realise the bowarm unit must be pushing, but not consciously so. This made a big difference for me, personally.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 11:04 AM
Marcus26's Avatar
Misses the Rep System
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Hoyt Vantage X7
Limbs: XT1000
Sight: AX3000 & 7x Scope
Stabilisers: 34" ACE
Button: Scott Longhorn IV Red
Bow String: RedBack Strings 452x
Arrows: Easton X7 2315's

Setup
Bow: Hoyt UltraElite XT2000 C2
String & Cables: RedBack 452x
Sight: Axell AX3000
Stabs:
Scope: Specialty Scope 7x
Launcher/Rest: Trophy Taker SS 2
Arrows: Easton Protour 470's 27"
Release Aid: Carter Insatiable 3
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Eating sugar cubes
Posts: 2,545

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: No Affiliation
Club: Diamond Valley Archers
Commercial: Trader/Retailer
Commercial Interest: Urban Archery/Beiter
GNAS Classification: GMB
IFAA Classification: Unclassified

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD View Post
The release aid was set much lower than the 19lbs suggested, in fact it was much nearer to 15lbs. Once set I started to get good results almost straight away.
Mine is set to 14.5lb, so every bow is different
Quote:
Marcus your hints are going to be a great help as I try to make the change. Can I just check I understand the first bullet in the quote. Rather than drawing to the valley and releasing the safety, you draw into the wall and then release the safety?
Yes. I find that I must use the wall to stabilize otherwise I do not old steady enough.
Quote:
My, very limited, experience suggests that it is important to keep moving and not to stop and then try to start to apply back tension again (very much like recurve).
Yep, sounds right to me.

Good luck!
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 11:12 AM
Schme1440's Avatar
It's an X
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Luxor 27"
Limbs: Inno Power 48#
Sight: Bernardini Freedom
Stabilisers: Posten Nation!
Button: Black Beiter
Bow String: BCY8125 Yellow
Arrows: X10 450 w Socx

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rainham Essex
Posts: 3,086

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial: Staff Shooter
Commercial Interest: ByBernardini
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)
Schme1440 has taken part in the Archery Interchange Ironman Challenge shoot Schme1440 has taken part in the Archery Interchange Birthday Weekender shoot
WL Ranking:
SL Ranking:

Just a quick point. If you use an evo and shoot 2 bows you will need to check the holdng weight on both bows. My ate was shooting his evo off his apex set to around 20# as the holding weight was about 18. He then set up his Apex 7 and used his evo with no adjustments. He found it a struggle to get the evo to go off. Checked the holding weight. The 7 was 4# light than the standard apex. The evo is now adjusted for his 7 and he shot a new PB of 1346. The setting of the evo is critical to a good shot and if you have 2 bows you will shoot on a regular basis I suggest you have 2 evo's one for each bow.
__________________
The Italian stalions
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 11:25 AM
MikeD's Avatar
In the Gold
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Flame
Limbs: Hoyt Ultratech
Sight: Toxonics 5-pin
Stabilisers: Doinker
Button: Cavalier Long Reach
Bow String: Orange and Black
Arrows: Cheetah 3D

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Dunfermline
Posts: 610

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: GNAS/IFAA
Club: Forest Spirit Archers
Commercial: Publisher (Archery Web Site)
Commercial Interest: Archery-Equipment-UK.com
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification: GFM

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schme1440 View Post
if you have 2 bows you will shoot on a regular basis I suggest you have 2 evo's one for each bow.
I'll cross that bridge when my wife lets me get to it
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 11:27 AM
It's an X
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Poole uk
Posts: 4,769

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

I wanted to pick out just one point from Marcus' post. The one concerning learning about his own form. The Evo (and Loesch) can be a great training aid, for experiencing a true surprise release. Once discovered, it can then be used with almost any other release. It is also a great release to use in its own right.
Using a long loop of cord/string, archers can pull to full draw, and pull that bit harder and let the release give them the surprise. Even recurve archers can have a go to find out what the feelings are like when the shot is not anticipated in any way.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 11:57 AM
Marcus26's Avatar
Misses the Rep System
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Hoyt Vantage X7
Limbs: XT1000
Sight: AX3000 & 7x Scope
Stabilisers: 34" ACE
Button: Scott Longhorn IV Red
Bow String: RedBack Strings 452x
Arrows: Easton X7 2315's

Setup
Bow: Hoyt UltraElite XT2000 C2
String & Cables: RedBack 452x
Sight: Axell AX3000
Stabs:
Scope: Specialty Scope 7x
Launcher/Rest: Trophy Taker SS 2
Arrows: Easton Protour 470's 27"
Release Aid: Carter Insatiable 3
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Eating sugar cubes
Posts: 2,545

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: No Affiliation
Club: Diamond Valley Archers
Commercial: Trader/Retailer
Commercial Interest: Urban Archery/Beiter
GNAS Classification: GMB
IFAA Classification: Unclassified

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

While I agree wih you on that Geoff, I think that it is important that users do not discount the Evo as a competition release. I shoot a trigger just fine in practise, but it's competitions where the trigger fails me (my usage of of course). I know the reason why (all mental) and the Evo has so far helped me beat that.
If someone gets ervous or punches only in competition I recommend the Evo for competition usage.
__________________
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 12-04-07, 12:02 PM
Schme1440's Avatar
It's an X
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Luxor 27"
Limbs: Inno Power 48#
Sight: Bernardini Freedom
Stabilisers: Posten Nation!
Button: Black Beiter
Bow String: BCY8125 Yellow
Arrows: X10 450 w Socx

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rainham Essex
Posts: 3,086

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial: Staff Shooter
Commercial Interest: ByBernardini
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)
Schme1440 has taken part in the Archery Interchange Ironman Challenge shoot Schme1440 has taken part in the Archery Interchange Birthday Weekender shoot
WL Ranking:
SL Ranking:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus26 View Post
While I agree wih you on that Geoff, I think that it is important that users do not discount the Evo as a competition release. I shoot a trigger just fine in practise, but it's competitions where the trigger fails me (my usage of of course). I know the reason why (all mental) and the Evo has so far helped me beat that.
If someone gets ervous or punches only in competition I recommend the Evo for competition usage.
I agree as well. A lot of people have used back tensions over the years during competitions to good use. Jamie Van NAtta uses one and she holds the ladies world record. My mate shot his PB for a gents fita with his. Splitter used his on the aiuk feild shoot. Just because its a back tension doesnt mean it cant be used for competitions.
__________________
The Italian stalions
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump