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Old 27-04-07, 09:06 PM
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French Tuning

I have just used this method to tweak my center shot and was really impressed by how quick and easy it was, I got the method from John Dudley, I don't know him but I saw an article he wrote where he mentioned it, I sent him a mail to ask where I could find out about it and he mailed me back with a very detailed description, what a very nice man.

It works on the same principle as a walk back but takes advantage of archers paradox to use a larger distance, Basically what you do is set your sight maks for a distance you can comfortably shoot at I chose 50M, then from a few yards away (I was about 5 yards away) shoot at the target and adjust your windage until the arrows are hitting down the centre line, they may not necessarily be in the 'X' they may be high or low depending on exactly how far away you are. When you are happy they are central go out to your set distance for me 50M and shoot a few arrows and see where they land, if they are not on the centre line adjust your centre shot accordingly (If they fall left adjust to the right and vice verse) then repeat the process until you are happy, obviously make sure you do it on a calm day.

Marcus Has a similar technique which I also like but it involves moving the sight between distances, I found the French method just a bit quicker, it also removes the sight bar as a possible influence.

Before You ask I do not know why it is called the french method but my thanks to John for sharing it.
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Old 27-04-07, 09:36 PM
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Just to confirm - at 5m you set the windage and at 50m you set the centre shot
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Old 27-04-07, 11:25 PM
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Centre shot or button pressure. One or the other. It won't make much difference which. The two are (to a large extent) inter-changeable. Button pressure tends to allow for finer adjustment (centre shot is more sensitive to change) though Rick McKinney reported a roughly one to one correspondence between them - one whole turn of centre shot being about the same as a turn of button pressure for him.
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Old 28-04-07, 12:11 AM
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Just to confirm - at 5m you set the windage and at 50m you set the centre shot
Yes your 50M results tell you which way to move the centre shot if it is out.


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Centre shot or button pressure. One or the other. It won't make much difference which. The two are (to a large extent) inter-changeable. Button pressure tends to allow for finer adjustment (centre shot is more sensitive to change) though Rick McKinney reported a roughly one to one correspondence between them - one whole turn of centre shot being about the same as a turn of button pressure for him.
I Cant Change button pressure (No Button) I dont have a proper bow .
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Old 28-04-07, 01:30 PM
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french tuning -? - is that not a method to avoid becoming tongue-tied?

Seriously this is exciting- is there a link or a full posting somewhere?
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Old 28-04-07, 02:44 PM
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Just check out John's Web site - Google John Dudley Archery & you'll get there - Look in Articles.

I plan to use this as a tuning method but there are three criteria I haven't been able to meet yet.

1. Time to play.

2. You need a calm day (It's always windy when I've shot and had the time!

3. You need a flat field - mine slopes L to R (But I plan centering the bubble so this should compensate)

Graham.
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Old 28-04-07, 02:54 PM
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yeah very similar to what I do and pretty much the same thing. I like it.

BTW it is called the French Tuning Method because it involves running away from the target.


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Old 28-04-07, 06:53 PM
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BTW it is called the French Tuning Method because it involves running away from the target.


Very Funny, Although I dint believe it is historically correct, It is my understanding If you just stood there the French would predictably charge toward you and basically most of them were shot before they reached you, I think I read that at Agincourt The English Bowmen were able to loose in the region of 30,000 arrows in the time it took the french to cross the field.

When I looked I could not find reference to the French Method anywhere on John's sight which is why I mailed him.
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Old 28-04-07, 07:01 PM
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Just had another look out of curiosity and Back by popular demand is an article he wrote on french tuning -

http://www.dudleyarchery.info/articles/usarcher1FT.pdf
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Old 28-04-07, 08:20 PM
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Thank Paul,
Excellent, simple text at pace i can keep up with!
Thanks for the link!
At last i'll get this damn center shot right (bloody 1/3 , 2/3 of arrow point whats that about?) has to be worth at least another 20 points to me to get it spot on! -and it looks like i'll get a tad more clearance too.
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