Merlin Active Balance Vs Doinker Carbon Elite

[Zippo]

What are your views on these 2 rods? I've tried the doinker, and it feels really good. I'd love to give the active balance rods a try but I know of no one here who owns them. So for those who have tried both, what are your views on weight of rod, weight distribution, dampening abilities, etc of the merlin active balance vs. the doinker carbon elite?

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Zippo

What are your views on these 2 rods, the merlin active balance vs. the doinker carbon elite?

My first view is that they aren't directly comparable. The Doinker Carbon Elite has the suppression mount fitted whereas the MAC Active Balance does not.

Other than that, directly comparing the two (below), and given that both companies make quality products, I suspect the only difference that anyone could discern is in the spelling!



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[little bow blue]

Both are excellent stabilisers, the Doinker has slightly better finish.
As stabilisers there is little between them although the Doinker edges it with slightly better damping.
At the end of the day its what suits your bow best.

[Zippo]

The finish doesn't affect perfomance is anyway does it? What about the weights of each rod? (now comparing with the doinker carbon series) If the weight/weight distribution is similar, I might get the active balance set, with a suppresion mount as the extender.

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Zippo

I might get the active balance set,

Good plan, do that.

Doinker stuff, whilst very good, is not realistically priced (may be cheaper in Singapore of course!).

Originally Posted by Zippo

... with a suppresion mount as the extender.

Bad plan, don't do that, only Kae thinks it's a good idea. The two that came with my Carbon Elite sets live in a box under the bed! Much better idea would be to get the MAC Active Balance Extender.

Don't just take my word for it though, that nice Mr Frangilli in his useful book "The Heretic Archer" says; "chose a long rod as rigid as possible, but take special care for the V-bar extender. It is the weakest point of the system. Must be very very rigid. With a rigid long rod and a rigid V-bar extender half of your problems will be already gone..."

[Zippo]

Well the dealer who brings in doinker stuff here isn't exactly the type that sells items as cheap as possible, so the prices are probably about the same as anywhere else.

Are you saying that the suppression mount isn't very rigid?

[DivingBirdie]

That is something I'd like to know too...

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Zippo

Are you saying that the suppression mount isn't very rigid?

No, certainly not, but only because I don't know how it's constructed internally. I'm assuming it's based on this patent: http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/pat...-20070508.html


My understanding of the "Suppression Mount" is that it dispels vibration in the bow by the use of harmonics, in other words it induces a counter frequency in the suppression mount to cancel out the frequency of the shock caused by the release of the string. To my way of thinking this would (if it actually worked) alter the "feel" of the bow. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it might make it more difficult to tune your bow by feel.


One for Joe Tapley perhaps.

In any case, if it was a good idea to use it as an extender (at $64.95) why do Doinker have three extenders (4", 5" & 6") in their range?

[Kae]

Worthipa, how exactly would you suggest the supression mount flexes?

It is, at the end of the day, a cylinder, which is stiffer than a rod?

Of course it alters the way the bow feels, but I'm afraid that all stabilisers will feel different (or we'd all be using the same thing ).

I have read the Heretic archer, and although I can't agree with everything he says, I agree with the theory on stabilisers.

Kae.

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Kae

Worthipa, how exactly would you suggest the supression mount flexes? It is, at the end of the day, a cylinder, which is stiffer than a rod?

Ah, I see, your theory is that as it's a rod surrounded by a cylinder it makes it even more "rigid" than a "normal" extender, and therefore worth 3 times the price?

Originally Posted by Kae

I have read the Heretic archer, and although I can't agree with everything he says, I agree with the theory on stabilisers.

I'm sure he'll be very pleased!