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Old 17-02-06, 06:01 PM
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For beginners/intermediate archers I do not see the need for a clicker. It is more important to get the feel and rhythm right. A clicker will just mess up this.

In a few weeks/months/years when you get target panic (and everybody does to some extent) then a clicker will help see you through the problem. If you already have one then you are going to need a lot of hard work and mental toughness to cure it.

Don't get one just because everyone else has.
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Old 17-02-06, 06:08 PM
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Hi again Tobes! The problem I'm having - and you'll appreciate I have mixed feelings about it - is that when I loose an arrow toward the target it smashes the **** out of one thats already there, or waits for one following to do the same to itself. Now I know I could shift my aim to avoid this, but how is that going to show me if I'm grouping or not?
Oh, it's not that you're missing the target and smashing up your arrows, it's just that you're too consistent ... I'd insist on shooting three-spot faces like the compounders until Outdoor season rolls round again!
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Old 17-02-06, 06:15 PM
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Answer is to print small targets - say 8 on an A4. Each arrow at a seperate target, that way no more drain on the wallet. Groups are where the arrow hits wrt the target centres.
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Old 17-02-06, 09:35 PM
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Thanks guys
I guess the problem was getting the arrows cut to a length that made 'clicking' reasonable, then finding after a couple of sessions that I no longer had enough arrows for a tournament! Roll on summer, they'll be lucky to be on the same boss!
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Old 18-02-06, 06:19 PM
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this is quite useful for me because i have problems with my clicker. i can pull through easily, but then im afraid to release straight away for some reason. Im going to ask one of the better archers in my club to help me get it perfect.

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Old 18-02-06, 06:33 PM
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For beginners/intermediate archers I do not see the need for a clicker. It is more important to get the feel and rhythm right. A clicker will just mess up this.
I couldn't disagree more. You're essentially training to one style, then will have to retrain once you get a clicker. What IS the point? If you just want to shoot arrows indoors, no problem, but if you have aspirations to shoot reasonably at real distances (70m/90m), then a clicker is the only way to go for 99%. You know, of course, that the clicker is an EXCELLENT tool for training to get that "feel and rhythm" you mention, right.

Your argument that the clicker is some kind of cure for target panic is contrary to my opinion too (FWIW). Why wait until there is a problem, then slap on a clicker, only do develop clicker panic later on?? If there is a fundamental confidence issue, then the clicker will not fix it, it takes a more profound and fundamental approach. But the real point is, the clicker isn't the cause here, it's just bringing out the symptoms so they can be identified and cured!

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If you already have one then you are going to need a lot of hard work and mental toughness to cure it.
Sorry - but - rubbish. So many people bang on and on and on about the clicker being some kind of devil. Put the clicker on, and just develop good strong style. Frankly, if you have a problem with the clicker, then you'll have other problems anyway and you need to cure the problem, not some of the symptoms (or take up tiddlywinks).

If your draw length is reasonably consistent (and it should be so after a couple of months of shooting being watched by a reasonable coach), stick a clicker on and learn to shoot with it as early as you can. You won't regret it in the long run.
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i have used a clicker for years, and althought they help i dont thin everyone needs one. all down to consistency.

however i have never heard of anyone watching their arrows come through the clicker, seems to me like concentrating on the wrong thing, surely if your clickers is set up right you should instinctively know its going to be about right and only take the slightest effort to get it through - meanwhile you can be focused on the gold and aiming right.

just my 2 pence worth

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Old 18-02-06, 08:51 PM
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surely if your clickers is set up right you should instinctively know its going to be about right and only take the slightest effort to get it through - meanwhile you can be focused on the gold and aiming right.
That's the difficult bit...
It's been said that you might reasonably expect to develop and keep a level of muscle memory which would allow you to shoot that way, if you do an awful lot of training.
I suspect that a high level of talent might help cut down on the amount of training necesary to maintain that awareness. However, setting up on the clicker, removes the need...

Incidentally, I don't think anyone watches their arrows come through the clicker (except maybe by accident). The idea is to get to the point where you're ready to complete the shot - hence: setting up on the clicker.
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Save yourself future problems and put a clicker on now and develop a technique to use it that works for you. It will also keep your arrow on in inclement weather and conditions. also keep your arrow on in inclement weather and conditions.
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