Comparison of old to new

[stupilch]

Hi

Just starting back after a 20+ year break

I am shooting my old equipment

40# @ 68" Yamaha EX Custom (Carbon limbs)
X7 arrows

I shot 100yds and still got over 90% of my shots on target but, the guy next to me was shooting a Hoyt Helix with 900CX limbs and shooting ACE's he was shooting about 1" shorter draw length than me and had a far better sight mark

I cant afford a new bow... but will changing to a/c/e arrows increase my sight marks significantly??

I like the look of the new samick masters with the extreme limbs as a possible upgrade in the future and comments

Thanks

Stu

[not dead yet]

never used them but a few top ,top british archers use the samick masters, dont know what they cost/


shop try b4 you buy you know the drill.lol

pete

[MarkH]

Hi Stupilch,
Welcome back, I did the same last year after a 12 year layoff.

Changing to ACE's will give you a significant improvement in sight mark. However these are very light arrows. I remember when Bemans first came out (I think around the time you stopped, or just after). There were a lot of bow failures as they had not been designed for the additional stress the light weight arrows put the bow under.

I also remember carbon strings. Two shots and you were thinking about changing it. Certainly 8125 is my choice, but not sure if this and ace's would be a good idea. Maybe a string with more stretch might be a safer bet on the Yamaha.

Really you need to check with a manufacturer, certainly Border is active on this forum, they may well be able to offer good advice.

Good luck with the move to Oz. A friend of mine emigrated last year and absolutely loves it out there. Just watch out for the spiders!

MarkH

[Rik]

Originally Posted by MarkH

Certainly 8125 is my choice, but not sure if this and ace's would be a good idea. Maybe a string with more stretch might be a safer bet on the Yamaha.

It's really going to depend on the condition of the equipment... The Yammy should be able to take it (hell they could cope with *kevlar* and carbon arrows....).

But I have seen breakages of old equipment - one example was a 25 year old Yammy YTSL 2. Now I don't think the fact that the owner was shooting ACEs and Fastflight was a factor, as he had been using them for several years. More important was the ding and subsequent crack through the handle at the grip. Spectacular, but luckily no injuries (other than in the wallet department...).

Regarding the Samick kit; I have a set of Extremes. If you would describe your Yammy limbs as "crisp" or "snappy", then you may well like Extremes. There seems to be a division of opinion about how good limbs feel (which doesn't incidentally seem to have any bearing on performance...).

[stupilch]

hi

Thanks for the info, I used to shoot kevlar strings and with the carbon limbs the yamaha is very tolerant.

Yes the Bemans just about came out as I was stepping down. just got a 8125 string which I need to nock up and test

just want to get better cast and lower flight for the arrow.

As said I was getting a majority of my shot on target so with a bit of work should be able to bring the group within the blue without too much trouble .. he says !!!!! :0)... and with a faster bow/arrow/string that would help

Auzz is stopping my equipment upgrade but been checking out the scene in Oz and it looks healthy with Simon fairweather and top korean coaches and archers... will have to see...

to be honest it all depends on the kids if the take it up I get a "get out of jail and to the range card" from the Mrs without them I am doing hard time and not passing go.. :0/

its seems most gents are shooting the Hoyt, I was always a Yamaha shooter, a ytsl mk2 and then the EX and upgraded the limbs to custom.

Is this correct??

I know the Korean ladies shoot samick and shoot the same score on the 12 arrow head to head as the gents and if not better... (really want to try that I loved 70m/80 yds ) but notices Quicks only list the limbs upto 42lbs which i guess with the carbon/foam limbs and lighter faster x10 etc is definatly enough...

After shaking like a leaf after 3 dozen I think 42lbs will be more than enough for me.. lol

waffling now

thanks for the help and will look into arrows and limbs a bit further

cheers

happy shooting

Stu

[stupilch]

Originally Posted by Rik

It's really going to depend on the condition of the equipment... The Yammy should be able to take it (hell they could cope with *kevlar* and carbon arrows....).

But I have seen breakages of old equipment - one example was a 25 year old Yammy YTSL 2. Now I don't think the fact that the owner was shooting ACEs and Fastflight was a factor, as he had been using them for several years. More important was the ding and subsequent crack through the handle at the grip. Spectacular, but luckily no injuries (other than in the wallet department...).

Regarding the Samick kit; I have a set of Extremes. If you would describe your Yammy limbs as "crisp" or "snappy", then you may well like Extremes. There seems to be a division of opinion about how good limbs feel (which doesn't incidentally seem to have any bearing on performance...).

Hi Rich

seen a few limbs snap and kevlar strings go sending limbs flying up the field but never a riser... kevlar was a beast of a string compared to dacron but it did a blooming good job still got 1/2 a dozen un shot in my case... not brave enough to try them not sure if it degraded over time .. its carbon so i guess it shouldnt but not willing to send my limbs up the field on there own lol

Crisp, snappy.. umm not sure to be honest...

smooth compared to the older hoyts, did draw up a friend helix and it did feel nice but didnt shoot it

Been watching the world archery championships on archerytv on youtube and the samick shot but the koreans do sound solid and really nice....

The hoyts dont seem to have that short shart snapping thud the samick do its a huuuud to a hud

Always wanted a hoyt as a kid... well 14 to 18 year old but got a second hand YTSL and built on it , now its the feel more than the name... jeezzz getting old well am 40 now... and my son is a year younger than when i started.. scary.... :0)

again thanks for the info

stu

[Nick Forster]

The yamaha is stil a fine bow, stick with it. but get rid of those x7's and get some ACE's or navigators your sightmark difference will be a hell of a lot.
Keep the x7's for smashing indoors personally I use ACE's for indoors as well
Nick

[not dead yet]

i bought some nav's a few years back to save money as you do.......lost an inch on my sight marks compared to the aces.


my mate shot compound in the 90's for Gb. he borrowed an old YTSL !!
off me that some old gent had given to me at the club.

made a new F/F string and he borrowed some ACES. oh by the way it was a 64" bow @42lb. double fita at lilleshall 1108 , 1117. never shot a recurve b4.


moral of this story dont worry about the JAP / KOREAN bows they'll cope


but at the end of the day sorry but you may just be unlucky

personally i'd take the chance

pete

[Rik]

Originally Posted by stupilch

seen a few limbs snap and kevlar strings go sending limbs flying up the field but never a riser...

Oh, I remember that sound: <snap> <clatter>. String breaks and the limbs end up on the ground... A friend of mine was shooting a YTD back then and we all thought the slot in limb system was great, apart from the "picking them up off the ground" bit...

The broken riser didn't end up down range, by the way, as it broke at full draw.
Half went past the guy's face, half whipped past his leg. The bottom bit clattered into chairs behind him, the top bit made it over the chairs.... The thought of getting hit in the face by a pound or so of alloy....

[stupilch]

That could have been nasty....

Sure I have heard of another YTD doing that... not sure if it was a problem weakness in the riser.. thay wernt the most solid bows were they, prefered my MK2 YTSL :0)

I am stalling at the moment with the getting into it again due to work and familey stuff the Mrs signs me up for...

Got a target in the garden but as yet not been able to use it .... but I will, definatly wnat to get a set of new arrows, a better sight mark and back on the shooting line a a major fita star ....

Equipment corner again:......

not sure I can pass a set of A/C/E's to the mrs but maybe a set of navigators ...

will they increase my sight mark at all? I know they are not barrelled like the A/C/E's or X10's but think, and i could very well be wrong they are lighter than the A/C/C's

I would like to gain a minimum of 1/4" if possible as I this will give me a better 100yds/90m, was always and am too close when it came to clearance leaving the bow with my X7's

So with the 8125 string and a set of ???? arrows would this give me the extra I am looking for

so... Navigators or A/C/C or another?? but not fully carbon redlines or bemans

thanks

stu