I love Kit

[nomis]

As i said, i love Kit...
Try this, try that.
X limbs are better than Y
I wish some one would come up with a Product quality index!
In the mean time we are the victim of spin, stories down the boozer.
But I feel jooped, when things are not as the seem, so as an armchair "engineer" :-)... i thought id look into the adverts as im looking at some new limbs. the new Inno is certainly shouting loud, but the limb butts. I presume they fit other ILF risers, the humped limb butt faceing or something?
Also has any one read about their patent on these? i looked at the IPO website and cant find anything... just want to know what im getting. Innovation or spin. you never know.
i think it was bugatti that invented disc brakes and 16v engines back before i was born! but its only recent that its an innovation/revolation

anyways, back to googling... :-)

[teknohippy]

True, true indeed.

[worthipa]

[quote=nomis;151350]i think it was bugatti that invented disc brakes and 16v engines back before i was born! but its only recent that its an innovation/revolation

Disc brakes were actually invented by British inventor Frederick William Lanchester who patented them in 1901. They were popularised during the 1951 Le Mans by the victorious C Type Jaguar team.

[nomis]

you get what i mean though... 1901, popularised 1950s... in pubilc (mass pubilc) in 1980s...

should be 1901... good idea, in use in 1980s...

"Is it cos we is silly" and couldnt see a good idea. or was it cause the originator couldnt shout loud enough when he invented it...
either way...
Im wanting to know, carbon has been used in a cross weive for years, to stiffen things up, look at boat hulls. the fibers are layed up to add structural stiffness by this exact way. Infact, it was used in laminated boat hulls, Canoes, and skiffs and rowing boats to provide maximum stiffness and stop the boat from twisting. this was done with ply wood. same idea, the materaial is stiffer one way and not the other...

How come this idea is novel and need a patent...
What im asking is X better than Y... i cant find anything to help me understand why any product is better.
I cant see logic for the "fog" of marketting.

[reckless]

barreld limb base a win and win inovation? I think not, next time you see a set of border limbs take a look at the base of the limb's suprise suprise it looks very like the ino limb base, stepper recurve of upper part of the limb again looks very like something border has and continues to produce, imitation the sincerest form of flatery? I think not.

[JamesR]

Originally Posted by nomis

you get what i mean though... 1901, popularised 1950s... in pubilc (mass pubilc) in 1980s...

should be 1901... good idea, in use in 1980s...

"Is it cos we is silly" and couldnt see a good idea. or was it cause the originator couldnt shout loud enough when he invented it...

Often a development is good in principle, but needs a "right place, right time" to become commonplace.

Scientists had done loads of stuff with microwave technology, but it never became widespread until there was a demand to produce baked potatoes in under 5 minutes.

[JohnK]

Originally Posted by reckless

barreld limb base a win and win inovation? I think not, next time you see a set of border limbs take a look at the base of the limb's suprise suprise it looks very like the ino limb base, stepper recurve of upper part of the limb again looks very like something border has and continues to produce, imitation the sincerest form of flatery? I think not.

While W&W's habit of "following" Border designs is well known, the Innos are actually slightly less recurved than the WinEX, which were almost as recurved as the TX range. By the looks of things W&W are playing around with limb construction to try to gain a bit of speed this time.

The bottom line we keep returning to is that nearly every limb and riser on the rack can be used to shoot good scores. Set your budget, try everything you can and pick what feels best for you. Also, get an experienced and recommended archer to advise you in person if you can.

[nomis]

Thanks JohnK
Thats what ive come too. Its just fun looking at this and that and trying to beleave you have the right product for your budget.
Propaganda is something i dispise.
The Patent is really sticking in my throat! I dont see why "surprising effects of crossweave carbon stiffening a limb" is patentable.
on that note, can anyone find the patent. Or are we to ignore all adverts.
Is there more to w&w's claim that makes their patent apply.
Whats so great about borders? i cant find any adverts?

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by nomis

Thanks JohnK
Whats so great about borders? i cant find any adverts?

On the same basis you won't see any adverts for Savile Row suits or John Lobb shoes, quality is self evident.

Border limbs have a big following on this particular forum, like the items mentioned above it's the bespoke nature of the product and service that goes with it that attracts the discerning buyer and user.

[JohnK]

Border limbs are hand made to very high standards. They also back their products to the hilt when it comes to warranties. However, they are a small company and do not sponsor nor take out many adverts because of this.

What it comes down to is trying them to see if you like them. If you do, then you're buying a high quality product.