Optimistic line calls

[buzz lite beer]

Who is more to blame, the archer who flouts fair play (cheating scum) and continually calls arrows of higher values than there worth, or the scorers, target captains and lieutenant's who don't pull them up for doing so?
I for one will correct anyone who continually miss calls arrows and I think it's the duty of every archer on the targets to do the same, and to add to that I will let everyone I know who is doing it.
Ahh! that's better.

[martin]

The best way to deal with this is to nip it in the bud as soon as the archer concerned tries it on.

Projecting your voice so other targets can hear you while saying something like "..thats funny, in my club that arrow would be an 8..." when they have called a questionable nine, normally keeps the mood jovial for everyone while telling the chancer they'll have to work for every point for the rest of the day....

[bimble]

I have been told off by other archers on my target and twice by judges for calling arrows lower than they were, therefore I now work on the princible that if it's that close call it up. If the others on the target disagree then the judge can decide.

On the other hand I was at a comp a few weeks ago where one of the guys was being over-enthusiastic with his call of 10, a judge was called over who also called it down and then the archer insisted on having the other judge to come over to have a look. And she called it down as well.

[darthTer]

Originally Posted by buzz lite beer

Who is more to blame, the archer who flouts fair play (cheating scum) and continually calls arrows of higher values than there worth, or the scorers, target captains and lieutenant's who don't pull them up for doing so?
I for one will correct anyone who continually miss calls arrows and I think it's the duty of every archer on the targets to do the same, and to add to that I will let everyone I know who is doing it.
Ahh! that's better.

I would blame the scorer etc....If they record the score as called without question, they can't complain about it later!!!

The person calling the value is trying for EVERY point that they can (rightly or wrongly, you can't blame them), it is down to the the rest of the folk on the target to query anything thats not right. If in doubt, call a judge!!!

[Tony_zelah]

It amazes me the mind reading skill some archers must have. Too be able to read the minds of other archers, and to know the difference between when someone knows an arrow is outside a scoring zone and is trying it on, and when they think it might be in the higher scoring zone and have asked the target captain / judge for a ruling. Surely if we as archers are asked to validate the score of an arrow it should be done without any thought of the archers motive behind the call, and purely on where the arrows is on the target,

[simon m]

True tony true.....but after several dodgy calls you ask said archer if he/she has there correct glasses on & you get the cold shoulder for the rest of the round, makes you wonder about postal scores & everything after a while.

[Beardy]

Originally Posted by darthter

I would blame the scorer etc....If they record the score as called without question, they can't complain about it later!!!

The person calling the value is trying for EVERY point that they can (rightly or wrongly, you can't blame them), it is down to the the rest of the folk on the target to query anything thats not right. If in doubt, call a judge!!!

But... whats the point of calling a arrow higher? Sure I want to score as high a score as possible, but I want to have SHOT that score, not just recorded it. And if I ever get good enought ot be contesting a win, then I definatly want to have shot the score.

I asked a judge at a recent competition to adjudicate (well it is what they are there for ) and he asked what the archer thought it was, then he asked me, and we both said the same, so he asked why we asked him. D'oh!

[martin]

Originally Posted by Tony_zelah

It amazes me the mind reading skill some archers must have. Too be able to read the minds of other archers, and to know the difference between when someone knows an arrow is outside a scoring zone and is trying it on, and when they think it might be in the higher scoring zone and have asked the target captain / judge for a ruling. Surely if we as archers are asked to validate the score of an arrow it should be done without any thought of the archers motive behind the call, and purely on where the arrows is on the target,

Its not ESP - just experience of shooting with lots of people over time.

There's only a slack handful that I've met that try it on. Other people just have eyesight as bad as mine...


Next week I'm gonna post in rhyming couplets....

[Mick]

Must have shot dozens of tournaments and can honestly say I have never come accross anyone repeatedly calling higher than they actually scored. Maybe i've been lucky. Worst behaviour I have witnessed was at an indoor tourny a few years back when a woman archer challenged every line call another (lady) archer on the target made. she insisted on a judges decision every time, even though everyone else on the target agreed with the call.
The judge eventually had a quiet word with her but it didn't stop the women continung to question every line call before reluctently going with the majority. Thing is it rattled the other lady archers confidence and she finished with a much lower score than she'd normally shoot.
Gamesmanship or plain malice ? All I know is we could do without those people in the sport.

[buzz lite beer]

Originally Posted by Yorker

A much more real indication of how good I am.

...of how good you are as a person as well as an archer, these people rob hard working archers of wins, records etc. Keep an eye out for them, they and anyone who encourages optimistic line calls on a regular basis knowing (and they must do) there arrows are out of the higher scoring zone should really be ashamed, how does this reflect on their previous achievements, at best it casts a large shadow of doubt over them.