Whos job is it?

[krela]

Originally Posted by Murray

I'm not sure that's entirely true. See The Disability Discrimination (Private Clubs etc.) Regulations 2005.

You've highlighted a very small part of the DDA relating to physical barriers and the physical accessibility of services.

* Since 2 December 1996 it has been unlawful for sports clubs to treat disabled people less favourably for a reason related to their disability;
* Since 1 October 1999 sports clubs have had to make "reasonable adjustments" for disabled people, such as providing extra help or making changes to the way they provide their services; and
* From 1 October 2004 sports clubs may have to make other "reasonable adjustments" in relation to the physical features of their premises to overcome physical barriers to access.


There is a duty of care to clubs under the 1999 part of the DDA to provide reasonable adjustment to people with disabilities to give them equality of use of the clubs services.

The duty of care to make reasonable adjustment is the clubs, not the disabled individuals. Thus the club or tournament host is responsible for finding a way of scoring / pulling a disabled persons arrow, not the disabled person themselves. Assuming of course that their disability hampers them in that way. If it doesn't they can pull their own arrows!

To demand that a disabled person should bring / find own helper is to put extra restrictions on their ability to access the services that don't apply to non disabled people. It removes their equality of access, which is unlawful.

Yes, that does put an extra burden on clubs and tournament organisers but that is the law. In all reality clubs should have an equality document outlining how they deal with such things and I believe the GNAS is working on such a document for the sport as a whole.

The only real sticking point is the definition of 'reasonable adjustment'. Is it reasonable for a club/tournament to have some kind of mechanism for scoring / removing the arrows of someone who can't walk to and from the target? Yes, I think so!

This doesn't however have any bearing on people who shoot 60lb compounds then moan that they might hurt themselves removing their own arrows, or people who plain can't be bothered. That's a separate issue.

I hope this clears up some confusion.

[mk1]

We ladies tend to take turns - alternating distances - with scoring and pulling.

I'm quite happy to help pull my arrows when I'm scoring and happy to help with anyone elses if they get stuck, but if an odd arrow is difficult I'll be one of the first to nab a passing gent of suitable stature to help and plenty of my fellow women seem much stronger than me on the arrow pulling bit so its great being on with those that shoot a heavier poundage them me

If someone is sporting a genuine injury or a junior isn't up for pulling as long as they can score I don't mind. Quiet often people have a favoured side or one that's working better than the other and thats OK too.

Worst case scenario is when its raining and the arrows are slippy and the boss is getting tight, and we're all hunting through our arsenal of arrow pullers to find the ones the will grip.

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by avalon

I understand that preventing pass throughs is probably the point of tougher bosses, but I think it's reasonable to expect that you'd be able to get your arrows back out from the boss!

Jeez you guys can be hard to please. Speaking with my tournament organisers hat on. It isnt just so easy as ordering "not quite solid but just a little bit softer" bosses. I order new bosses, I get new bosses. A few tournaments in you'll be complaining the're going soft.
You dont think maybe its you/your arrows/your bow that's at fault?
Perhaps there is a market for a "boss distressing" service.
You order new bosses, send them to me, I shoot 1000 arrows at them and return them to you as "conditioned"

[Jerry Tee]

The problem is not limited to straw bosses. I was shooting at a Danage boss at the indoor Nationals with 2315's and they were sticking badly. The answer we came up with was to use two archers pulling in tandam.

[rstamp]

Originally Posted by moo-mop

Problems with bosses should be highlighted in the judges reports for the shoots, apparently when this happens it also should mean it gets reported back to the manufacturers.

Was unaware of this but will put this facility to use in the future.

Thanks

[spavo]

You order new bosses, send them to me, I shoot 1000 arrows at them and return them to you as "conditioned"[/quote]

Can you tell me the cost involved in this please and will it be an equal spread or will you just concentrate on the middle

[moo-mop]

Originally Posted by grimsby archer

I order new bosses, I get new bosses. A few tournaments in you'll be complaining the're going soft.

With these Italian bosses, yes both reasons why I wouldn't order them despite them being cheaper. 1 pretty bad portsmouth shoot on my part goes from unable to get them out to recurve pass-throughs. Yes, as mentioned there are problems with other bosses, esp in the wet but after going to many shoots I've never come across other brands that are as bad.

[bimble]

At the patgonia shoot I scored simply because no-one else wanted to. Then we discovered that the boss was very hard and my arrows wanted to stick. In the end we had to have the boss changed for a softer one!!

There have been a number of occasions where I've scored and pulled my own arrows because quite often recurvers don't seem able to pull compound arrows out. At least not without bending them (you pull them straight out) and I have had arrows broken by people, seemenly not realising just how far into the boss they have gone!!

[spavo]

I've been thinking has anyone seen CSI when they shoot builts in to Jelly, well could something like that be done as a target?

[Little Miss Purple]

I went to the last 2 competitions under the proviso that if someone couldn't pull my arrows then I couldn't shoot (pulled stomach muscle)... this was not a problem as I scored and my midget arrows are coming out of a 37# wheelie bow... less poundage than most of the archers on my boss (both shoots ).

I don't think its fair to assume.. and of course, no-one wants to be injured pulling arrows!!