'Who is at fault then?'

[Robin the Hood]

Simple Question.........A member of an archery Club has facilities 24/7 (Having shot for years. Call them 'Archer A'.) They go down one day (not a Club Day) and decide to shoot a National Round.
Having started and part way into the round, another archer turns up, (New member having done the beginners course weeks previously. Call them 'Archer B'.) So while 'archer B' gets their equipment ready 'archer A' carries on with the next 1/2 doz, by which time 'archer B' is then ready. So while 'archer A' is collecting the arrows 'archer B' puts their target up at 30 yds about 15 yds away from 'archer A'.
Both archers approach the line, and 'archer A' shoots 3 arrows and comes off the line, goes to make an adjustment with the bow, finally goes to return to the line to shoot the other 3 arrows only to find that 'archer B' has already gone for their arrows having shot all 6 at once.

Who would you say was 'Out of Order' and 'Why'...

Paul...

[Little Miss Purple]

lack of communication... but I would say that archer 'B' was within their rights to collect if archer 'A' wasn't shooting! That's what would happen at our club... its kinda common courtesy.. if you're not on the line by the time other have maybe 3 arrows left, then you wait till the next end.

[worthipa]

Why do you say anyone's "at fault"?

Archer "A" can wait a few minutes, shoot his other 3 and collect ....

[Furface]

There's no problem.
Now why do I get the feeling that this isn't exactly hypothetical?

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by Furface

There's no problem.
Now why do I get the feeling that this isn't exactly hypothetical?

because it sounds very typical of many clubs??

and yes.. it's not necessarily a fault!

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by sp220

Archer B is at fault.

No wistle was blown to cross the shooting line, and this BASIC safety precaution wasn't followed.

If it happened at an archery competition everyone would be ape**** about it.

It happens in practice - I point it out - and no doubt people will post replies saying I am being ridiculous and the safety rules are unneseccary with so few archers in a club environment. At my home club - the safety rules are always followed.

As they should be if you actually expect your GNAS insurance to mean anything at all.

I think it depends on the sytem ran by the club... we do not always use a whistle... but the signal to collect is when the line is clear!

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by sp220

No wistle was blown to cross the shooting line, and this BASIC safety precaution wasn't followed.

Er who would be blowing the whistle then? I assumed from the original post that there were only the two of them there "not a club day", "another archer turned up" etc ....

[hooktonboy]

Perhaps they should have tried speaking to each other.....

Archer A as an experienced archer could have taken the initiative and explained how they think things should be happening.

Maybe somone should have told Archer B during their beginners course.......


Do I know any of these people, Paul - in case I need to change my answer?

[Hidden Hippo]

It doesn't have to be an actual whistle, merely an indication as to whether it is safe to advance. This is important irrespective of the number of archers, be it 2 or 200 there should always be a signal that it is safe to advance. Archer B did not hear any signal of this kind, although it could be that he misinterpreted archer A stepping back to adjust something as he had finshed shooting making it an honest mistake, but even then there should have been a safety procedure running at the time.

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by hooktonboy

Perhaps they should have tried speaking to each other.....

Archer A as an experienced archer could have taken the initiative and explained how they think things should be happening.

Maybe somone should have told Archer B during their beginners course.......


Do I know any of these people, Paul - in case I need to change my answer?

lol... I seem to think this story is familiar!!

but archer A should also know better.. but as I said before, it depends how the club usually works!