A Shoot Without Scopes.

[mf78]

I was at the shoot too and it was indeed a lot of fun (though I dont think the lack of scopes was the reason, just a great bunch of archers!) It wasnt WRS, and being an Albion round shooting 3+3 you had chance to check your groups before shooting all 6. Did it cost me any points? Possibly. But it may have saved me some also as I didnt go chasing a wayward arrow that was the result of a bad shot like i sometimes do when i have my scope at hand.

I think the reason for not wanting scopes on the line was due to their being a large number of shooters for the available bosses - often 5 to a boss - and keeping scopes behind the line made it much easier to move around seeing as there were lots of folks swapping position every 3 arrows. Tbh I find GNAS rounds a pain the a*se having to move scopes around after every end and re-point them at the target. I'd rather they be either left on the line always like in a FITA or not allowed to be used on the line at all.

[Little Miss Purple]

Originally Posted by Bald Eagle

I thoroughly enjoyed the day and scored a pb for a "non scope" event!

me too... and a new county record (subject to clarification)

[moo-mop]

Originally Posted by tel

bit of an aside - but I attended a WRS Fita shoot today that had six sighters instead of practice....how does that work then?

It's against the WRS rules, it wasn't a DWAA shoot was it?
When I came across this at a FITA star I wrote to GNAS after the event and asked for clarification of the rules and if it should't have happened that a reminder went round so it would be a one off mistake. At the time they confirmed you can have no practice, or anything up to 45mins; but if you shoot on the comp targets prior to the start that is official practice and you can't be limited to six arrows in your ends. You must be allowed to shoot as many as you like in the timed end/ends.

Originally Posted by Little Miss Purple

and a new county record (subject to clarification)

This is exactly it, even in a local shoot there are records at club and county level up for grabs, it sounds like the extra conditions to the GNAS rules didn't cost you so well done, the point is for others it might have upset them more and some people are shy and wouldn't like to disagree at the time.

[Hoyt Hooligan]

I have got to say it was a great day with lots banter, with the fun continuing right in to the presentations a compound coming second in the recurve class, fantastic..

[bimble]

I did something similar in the Surrey Indoor Champs. I won the Gents Recurve Session Score despite the fact I was shooting compound!! Whoops-a-daisy!!

[Tropicalshot]

Originally Posted by tel

bit of an aside - but I attended a WRS Fita shoot today that had six sighters instead of practice....how does that work then?

well acording to the FITA rule book the following practice rules state

3.19 PRACTICE
3.19.1 At Indoor and Outdoor Target Championships, practice may take place on the
Tournament range.
3.19.1.1 For Outdoor Target Championships, this practice will be for a
minimum of twenty (20) minutes and a maximum of forty-five (45)
minutes on all days of the Qualification Round. However, all
practice must cease fifteen (15) minutes before the competition
starts. Practice ends with the pulling of the practice arrows. The
practice targets will be set up at the first distance to be shot by
each class.
When shooting the Elimination Round and Finals Round, the Organizers
may decide on the length of the practice period taking
into account the schedule for each day.
At other FITA events practice will be for a maximum of forty-five
(45) minutes but may be less, and the competition will start as
soon as possible.

Originally Posted by MOO MOP

I can assure you having groups that are good, but are off the middle will be very detrimental to anyone that actually wants to get a good score enjoying your shoot. That's why the rules allow them. I can't think of a better way to get me to not enjoy my day than instigation of unexpected local rules.

quite right too the FITA rules state

7.3.1.9 Field glasses, telescopes and other visual aids may be used for spotting arrows
7.3.1.9.1 provided they do not represent any obstruction to other athletes
on the shooting line.
7.3.1.9.2 Scopes must be adjusted so the highest portion of the scope is no
higher than the armpit of the athletes
7.3.1.9.3 Prescription spectacles, shooting spectacles and sunglasses may
be used. None of these may be fitted with micro hole lenses, or
similar devices, nor may they be marked in any way that can assist
in aiming.
7.3.1.9.4 The spectacle glass of the non-sighting eye may be fully covered
or taped, or an eye patch may be used.

the only reason i can see no scopes allowed is if there was not enough room on the line for the archers to be sufficiently devoid of any obstruction.

for this i would aske the competiors (as i am a Judge) to set up their scopes behind the waiting line

[geoffretired]

I don't compete far from home any more but in my very limited experience, the fun at a competition seems to go with that competition rather than the rules applied on the day. Some shoots are always fun, others are always very serious.If it's a shoot for a place in a county team or something more serious, then it may not be viewed as fun even if scopes were banned.
I don't think banning scopes is the only way to make a shoot more fun. When the shoot is advertised, why not call it a FUN shoot?That way everyone who enters knows what to expect. A scope can be great fun if used to add to the enjoyment. Enjoying archery is in the mind, I feel. Plant the seeds early enough and on the day, the organisers can refresh the chuckle muscles in their introductions.
Then go to the shooting line and enjoy.

[tel]

I wasn't trying to divert the thread by the way - just illustrating that this is yet another 'bending' of the rules that may be seen to adversely affect archers routines. Scopes are allowed, as is practice, as are all-carbons. Any deviation is wrong, though in the case of non-status events I would at least expect the details to be made clear on the entry form, not on the day.

And moo-mop...yes, Wilts Fita Star

[pelican]

I see no relationship between the use of a scope and having fun!!

Fun for me is about shooting well, good company, lots of other stuff, and has nothing to do with a scope.


We certainly don't need any more rules.

[moo-mop]

Originally Posted by tel

yet another 'bending' of the rules

Yes, I agree it is a similar situation but in this case the organisers don't have the discretion, which I can appreciate, in the first. That's why I wrote to GNAS about something seemingly trivial such as shooting 6 arrows instead of say the 8 or 9 I might have done in 4 minutes. I'm sure it didn't matter in the end too much, but when the judge announced this instead of thinking about my archery and enjoying the day I was suddenly thinking - what? is he sure this is allowed? (the judge on the day was).

Aside: The Andover FITA is a serious shoot that is also fun, with things like spitting cherry stones in the break and all that!