Who can you shoot for?

[steve58]

Such a shame that this all gets so heated. What are youngsters learning through all this? I had a similar experience with my daughter, who is only with me some weekends. We are Notts archers because we shoot for Bingham and affiliate through that club. At one point my daughter was approached by another county (where she actually lives with her mum and goes to school) and asked to shoot for their county team. At that point I wasn't aware whether Notts would select her, I was just excited that she was being offered a county squad place, and it seemed reasonable that she should be able to represent the county she lived in. Lots and lots of emails flying about. In the end she was picked for Notts anyway (and she's one year bar ahead of me!) and decided that because archery is something we do together she is a Notts archer at heart, even if a non-resident one.

[piphil]

Originally Posted by Murray

As far as I understand it, you can shoot for multiple clubs EXCEPT at national record status shoots and above, in which case you have to shoot for your first named club (i.e. the club through which you affiliated).

This is an interesting point I wasn't aware of previously. I register with my University club (a lot cheaper with the group membership), and then pay a membership minus the GNAS fees to a local club. I tend to shoot as a member of the local club at competitions however, as the Uni club rarely does non-student competitions. Am I therefore breaking the rules? Isn't this a fairly common problem for student archers?

[Murray]

I found the para in GNAS Memorandum, Article and Laws... apparently it extends to county and regional shoots too!

"Within the United Kingdom an archer may belong to, and shoot
for, more than one club in any one given discipline in any one
subscription year; but the club through which the archer's Society
annual subscription fee is paid shall be the first claim club. Only
with the consent of the first claim club may an archer represent
another club at any club or inter-club event. The disciplines are
Outdoor Target, Indoor Target, Field, Flight, Clout and Popinjay
Archery. At County, Regional or National events, the archer may
only represent the first claim club"

So there you have it

[piphil]

Originally Posted by Murray

I found the para in GNAS Memorandum, Article and Laws... apparently it extends to county and regional shoots too!

"Within the United Kingdom an archer may belong to, and shoot
for, more than one club in any one given discipline in any one
subscription year; but the club through which the archer's Society
annual subscription fee is paid shall be the first claim club. Only
with the consent of the first claim club may an archer represent
another club at any club or inter-club event. The disciplines are
Outdoor Target, Indoor Target, Field, Flight, Clout and Popinjay
Archery. At County, Regional or National events, the archer may
only represent the first claim club"

So there you have it

That's interesting - only really effects me for the next year or so though. Maybe this is an extra issue for GNAS to ponder in regards to student archers. If a club takes in a student archer in non-term time, it would be nice for that archer to be able to shoot for said club at larger events.

More to the point - what the hell is "Popinjay" archery...?

[Barndoor]

Thanks for all the input from people, a solution has been suggested that seems to work for us on all levels ... will feedback when it is all sorted.

[Barndoor]

Originally Posted by piphil

More to the point - what the hell is "Popinjay" archery...?

Not often practiced in UK, more common in Belgium and low countries!

Google it for a full explanation, there are some other spellings (papingo etc) but very crudely it is a type of simulated hunting.

Tall pole with target at top, archer shoots vertically upwards at target. Target is a series of birds arranged in a "roost" of 3 levels, chick at bottom, hens next row up and (male bird - beating the censor) at the top with increasing point score. Object is to hit them.

As anything that you shoot up comes down blunts are used and AIUI a shelter the archer steps from to shoot and then retreats to smartly or else

[Jungle]

Originally Posted by piphil

That's interesting - only really effects me for the next year or so though. Maybe this is an extra issue for GNAS to ponder in regards to student archers. If a club takes in a student archer in non-term time, it would be nice for that archer to be able to shoot for said club at larger events.

More to the point - what the hell is "Popinjay" archery...?

Phil speaking as a uni club chair and a county chair the correct method for students to shoot for other clubs and even counties is a written letter of permission form the club chair (and the county chair if moving counties) addressed to the chair of the new club (county) releasing the archer from their obligations to the other club. A word to the wise this is basically a one way path, I have used it a few times for archers who graduated in June and want to shoot for home clubs with the understanding that at the next affiliation point (October) the archer will reaffiliate through their home club, its not really suitable for a summer transfer. The only way summer transfers would work if you have confidence that your summer club would then release you back to the university club. Strictly speaking Phil you should always be shooting for warwick uni particularly as both your clubs are in the same county. Having said that I see you are shooting for the university at the weekend:P

[piphil]

Originally Posted by Jungle

Phil speaking as a uni club chair and a county chair the correct method for students to shoot for other clubs and even counties is a written letter of permission form the club chair (and the county chair if moving counties) addressed to the chair of the new club (county) releasing the archer from their obligations to the other club. A word to the wise this is basically a one way path, I have used it a few times for archers who graduated in June and want to shoot for home clubs with the understanding that at the next affiliation point (October) the archer will reaffiliate through their home club, its not really suitable for a summer transfer. The only way summer transfers would work if you have confidence that your summer club would then release you back to the university club. Strictly speaking Phil you should always be shooting for warwick uni particularly as both your clubs are in the same county. Having said that I see you are shooting for the university at the weekend:P

Yeah, I've basically been shooting for the University in competitions where we've arranged to be there as a Uni team; in other competitions I've been shooting for the local club. I will bear the rule in mind however in future. I still think it should be possible to have a "transfer" over the holiday months to a non-uni club - whilst an archer is at Uni, they'll be shooting mostly in University competitions, which are of little consequence to a non-uni club.

Still, looking back I'm not sure if I've actually managed to break this rule - I think I've only shot at 1 record-status competition under the banner of the local club, and I didn't exactly trouble the podium shall we say... :-P

[not dead yet]

whatever you cannot shoot for 2 counties in the same calendar year.

but it may be diffferent if one is under busa