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23-04-06, 08:10 PM
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looks like both the purples are set up for the day....... free drinks alround 
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23-04-06, 08:29 PM
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| Dear Purples: Would you beleive it! I just got called into an important meeting in Zurich. Obviously I will have to take up this offer on a later date. (yep - I reckon that will work) Cheers, Normsky.  |
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23-04-06, 09:03 PM
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| Upgrading kit is something nearly all archers do. I upgrade every year or so. After 24 years I think I've decided I like the sport. Here are two true situations that may help you decide what to do , even if the "when " is not clarified. My first compound was a Merlin Target Master 2. Round wheels, long riser , long limbs and no cnc in sight. I have had 8 bow upgrades since then(1991) and can shoot550 Portsmouth scores, which is relevant here. I recently sold the Merlin to a friend (his first compound) and within two weeks that bow was shooting higher scores than I am at present. And to add to this, my scorebook shows little improvement since those days with the Merlin. So what were the upgrades for? The next is based on a collection of information that has come my way over 24 years in archery. This is my experience and others may well disagree. Whenever an archer tells me he/she is thinking of an upgrade; my mind runs along this track," You'll probably be leaving archery in a month or so." The connection is based on percentages. When some archers upgrade it is to buy higher scores. When the expensive kit does not deliver, what next? Most stop shooting. When some archers upgrade it is to get more suitable equipment. Perhaps they should have had different poundage. Perhaps they can feel the draw is sweeter on a new bow they tried;their old one stacks and feels rough etc. There can be many reasons why one bow feels better to shoot than another and often a beginner will not notice the difference;where a year from now they might. More archers go down the first route and leave archery soon after paying for a very expensive upgrade.If I'm honest, I fit into the buying improvement group but love the sport too much to leave. I also love trying new equipment, it is a source of great pleasure to me, but that is not a recommendation. "Don't change your equipment until you are shooting well." I was told that years ago. The reasoning is; if you are shooting well, you are more likely to appreciate the added value of the newer equipment you try out. Conversely, if you change when you are shooting badly it is probably in an attempt to buy some quick fix.( I'll assume in the last situation the equipment is not faulty. ) If you put me on the spot and ask am I ready for an upgrade I would say; the time is right when you can feel those subtle differences that make a bow better to shoot. The differences need to be working in your favour too. Would you feel the difference between a Ferrari and a Focus? YES. would it be in the favour of a new driver, not really! When this stage will be reached depends on the time spent shooting and the quality of that shooting and the archer. I hope this is some help. |
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23-04-06, 09:14 PM
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I just put your post through a babel fish engine and it still didn't work. I'm really sorry but I have no clue whatsoever what you have contributed to my question. In fact you have left me totally bewildered. I am a beginner. Help? |
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23-04-06, 09:20 PM
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| Short version: Your kit is probably better than you will ever be. Upgrade when you've got disposable cash and want to try and buy points.
__________________ If you make something idiot proof, all that happens is someone builds a better idiot. |
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23-04-06, 09:22 PM
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| Normsky, Do you want to do this sport enough to spend £350. If no, stick with your starter kit for a while. If yes, buy a decent riser, some average limbs & the best arrows you can afford with the rest. This will not instantly improve your game. If anything, it might make it worse. But it will give you the potential to get better in the longer term and provide you with kit which will last while you improve. |
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23-04-06, 10:11 PM
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| try again Sorry my first post was no help. I thought you had given much thought to the problem and were further down the road so top speak. The bare bones version is; Don't change when you are going through a bad patch, wait until you are shooting well. Better quality equipment feels different. Change when you can feel those differences and when you are able to recognise which differences are improvements. You mentioned limitations in a later post. There are very few limitations with beginners equipment, they often don't feel so good to shoot. |
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23-04-06, 11:16 PM
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Most people, even not long off a beginner's course, will be able to feel the difference between a training bow and a tournament quality bow. That tends to be what makes the sales. And having that better feeling can translate to confidence, which in turn translates to performance. In absolute terms, training bows will still outperform a good proportion of archers. Most people upgrade long before they reach the limits of the equipment. Looking back, I moved from a club bow to something which wasn't a great deal different in quality fairly quickly and kept that for about a year. I upgraded to a fairly decent bow, when one came up secondhand, and kept that for several years. The upgrade didn't give me immediately better scores, though it may have given me more 'headroom'. Moving from the club bow to my own, in the first place did give me better scores, though. Why? Because I controlled the quality of the kit - I fitted a button, bought arrows which matched etc. |
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23-04-06, 11:29 PM
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| I fancy some foam/carbon limbs. Tody I had the opportunity to shoot some borders. A joy to pull back. Easy to hold at full draw. But on release the vibrated for ages. I will stick with my Winacts for the moment. |
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23-04-06, 11:55 PM
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| I bought my setup 4 months after i started archery. My scores went up immediately. Despite what alot of people saying, switching from beginners kit to better kit WILL help, but it's not magic. You were asking about the limitations of the kit. There's a misinterpretation here about what people mean. The fact is when people talk about how 'good' kit is, alot of the time they're talking about how consistent it is if you shoot like a machine, exactly the same each time. In this sense beginners kit won't be as consistent. But this is irrelevent to most of us as we DON'T shoot exactly the same each time. The most useful info i can give you is that better kit will help YOU to be more consistent, by allowing you to draw with less effort using smoother limbs, and allowing you to be more relaxed because you like the feel of the riser in your hand and the way it reacts after the shot. Also having arrows tuned to a bow of the right length and poundage for you really will help as soon as you approach anything that could be described as intermediate level. I bought my setup because a) i knew having my own bow that matched me would give better results then one not set-up for me and b) because i wanted something that i was unlikely to grow out of ability-wise and would have a fairly good resale value should i ever give archery up. Basically, you are unlikely to shoot well enough for the kit to be the limiting factor in quite a long time, but better kit will help you progress more quickly |
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