Master Bowman score increase?

[Max]

Originally Posted by Adam

Classification scores are just another form of competition. If you don't want to compete, don't, and nobody will criticise you for your choice. If you do wan't to compete, surely the object is to measure your performance against others, be they people or objective measures such as scores?

Adam

It's not that I don't want to compete Adam, it is the way that we seem to be setting the bar that bothers me and the suspected motivation behind why it is being done - all purely speculation on my part of course based on very flimsy rumour, but the classification system should reflect challenging but acheivable steps which are applicable to archers at club level everywhere - they don't need to change that much.

If there has to be a gradual raising of the bar to reflect improvements in technology, that is fine. However, if there has to be a filtering system to only allow a certain number of top archers to compete at a premier championship, then the way to do it is not to suddenly raise the goalposts by a country mile, with the emphasis on screening out one particular bow type. That way you create a two tier system where by "My MB is better than the one you got!"

If you must limit entries to the Masters Champoinship and retain that exclusivity, then do it by setting the qualifying score year on year, then shooting a qualifying round for MB's and GMB's in each region. If you don't make the cut, you have at least had the opportunity to try.

[moo-mop]

The only "kudos" one gets from MB is the ablity going to go the masters and it true that over the last few years it has become dominated by gents compound.
I don't say that the MB classifications in the divisions are necessarily representative of the same level of shooting (or even this magic top 5% which is no where near the same thing either) - but I do think to get reasonable turnouts at the masters in all divisions then there could be a problem is with gents compound. Basically I suspect there are more compounds around as well as yes, indeed, possibly, more technology improvements - I wouldn't really know. If the other MB levels were changed we'd almost only have finals matches in our h2hs.

As for more little bagdes/classifications for motivation, by the time you're even reaching bowman (or at least the higher end of bowman) you proably will have many fita stars, roses, crosses, medals from local and county comps, etc... and you should learn to motivate yourself without some person defining a goal for you. For beginners/intermediates most clubs have there own system of badges and medals and that's good cos that is the level beginners are trying to improve past.

[disbloke]

Everyone seems to be saying the numbers of MB/GMB gents compounds is too high so the score needs to go up to reflect the fact that standards have been raised, but, GNAS could be held to be at fault for the increase as much as the archers. It wasn't so long ago that you had to shoot 4 classifying scores not 3. This in itself "dumbs down" MB/GMB and guess what, that was done by GNAS to "bring the MB/GMB in to line" witht he other classifications.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be raised but there does seem to be a fixation with classification as opposed to what you need to achieve for Squad selection scores. As has already been said GMB is currently 1326 and Squad selection is 1370. As an aside the disabled squad selection raise from needing in the region of 1270's to 1325. A huge jump in anyones estimation but one I've been working hard to get to. For me I'm not really interested in getting MB/GMB scores I'm going to be looking at the qualifying scores needed

[wingate_52]

Normal archers. Scored a 932 winning the club fita today. Well of bowman score. Long way to go. Even longer if master bowman score is increased.

[Shirt]

You shoot recurve, unless I'm very mistaken...

The proposed increase is only for gents compound. It would probably be sensible to bump up the others a bit, but it's not quite so obvious a case...

[GeoffT]

Changing the levels of classifiaction is nothing new. It is done by GNAs every so often (about 10 years I think).

When I shot recurve, I was sneeking up on MB a couple of times and they moved it away from me. Did it put me off...NO.

I understand that last time, all clubs were asked to send in a list of memebers and handicaps. From this GNAS calculate what level each classification should be set at in order to get the correct percentage of people in each category. If this moves Gents compound up compared with other disciplines, then that is OK. They usually move the classification to a handicap number. Currently Gents compound MB is 20 H/C - 1278 and GMB is 14 H/C - 1326. Therefore the much talked of figures of 1300 and 1350 are more likely to be 1295 and 1346 or 1303 and 1352...these line up with whole handicap numbers.

Personally I think it is right to move the scores in line with changing scores on the field. However, I would prefer 1295 instead of 1303 as my last three scores have been 1299, 1298 and 1296 !

[GeoffT]

Originally Posted by Shirt

You shoot recurve, unless I'm very mistaken...

The proposed increase is only for gents compound. It would probably be sensible to bump up the others a bit, but it's not quite so obvious a case...

I doubt whether it will just be Gents compound. All disciplined are usually reconsidered.

[English Bowman]

Is that all disiplines in all aspects of the sport? I hope so as the Field archery scores needed to get MB (let alone GMB) are unachievable and should be lowered for longbow in my opinion. See other threads for reasons why.

Daniel

[grantwomack]

Originally Posted by English Bowman

I hope so as the Field archery scores needed to get MB (let alone GMB) are unachievable and should be lowered for longbow in my opinion.

I hope you are referring only to longbow when you mention that. I know MB and GMB (or Field Master and Grand Field Master) are quite easily achievable on recurve.

[Murray]

I've seen some proposals for what looks like a new awards scheme - based on white/black/red/gold/ and err... I think platinum and diamond awards for score levels shot at distances up to 90m. I'll be interested to see how that pans out.