BUSA outdoors 2007 FITA or not...

[Kellog]

Originally Posted by sky_high30

FITA's are more fun.

Agreed!

[Kae]

Originally Posted by Murray

Fair enough... continue enjoying your 7 hour Albions (or 10 hour FITAs )

Don't rub it in, drove me round the bend last year............

[Wrexham Exile]

Originally Posted by Kellog

FITA

Without any doubts or question.
In every other country student archers shoot an adult round, and usually its a FITA. We need to grow up and join the rest of the world.

Personally I'm insulted by being told I have to shoot 40yrds, (and slightly scared of putting that many arrows into the middle, I was lucky this year.. there were only 3 of the 5 that were meant to be on my boss), and having to shoot a childrens round seems silly, when my bow is heavier than pretty much every male in our club.

My only real concerns are that if there are still going to have to be upto 5 per boss I don't know whether I'll be able to afford to shoot 30m. And that if the field party is as small as it was this year (tho don't get me wrong, they did a VERY good job!) I think the longer distances will be REALLY hard work. Given that it took 7hours to shoot Albion/Windsor I think we could be looking at a 10hour shoot. Which will separate the serious archers from the uni shooters.
And I'm not convinced that BUSA is the place that should be done.

do you not think then that the novices will feel insulted having to be demonted to a "childrens" round while everyone else plays FITA's???


and yes i know its going to be a fita regardless but i heard enough boo's when it was mentioned at the prize giving to give the impression it wasnt a welcome idea.

is it really a case of what everyone wants or what people in the right positions want??

im happy to shoot either.

im just wondering how other clubs and uni's see it

[hypertigger]

i thought that next yr's round had already been decided.......that it would be a fita.

and it's a very difficult game. people don't want novices counted in the team if they shoot a different round, realistically, a lot of novices don't shoot the poundage or technique necessary to able to shoot ladies/gents fita, IMHO it's a very small percentage of novices who would be insulted by shooting a baby round. how many people at uni who have been shooting for even a couple of years, shoot 1000+ fitas? not a huge number, no offence to uni archers on this board, but the number of uni archers regularly going to fitas and h2hs is still small.

unless we make it a very elitist event, it's still going to be more like a 'fun' event to go meet people, rather than shooting, for shooting's sake. or we have a separate novice event, but BUSA won't fund it..... the budget is tight enough, and as a past organiser, it was a struggle to make ends meet, and we made several grand profit for BUSA, which they argue goes towards to funding internationals.

think about the albion/windsor a different way, no one has cleaned the round, not even compound, so is there a need to change it to a fita. yes all the misses drove me up the wall, and maintaining concentration was the hardest thing, and i have to admit to giving up, cos i'd had such a sh&&ty 3 months before the tournament due to evil supervisorness, meaning no training of any sort. it's like the new h2hs (12 arrow matches), you don't have much room to make any errors, as every arrow counts.
just my 2 pee worth of rambling, probably doesn't have a point!!

[Wrexham Exile]

Originally Posted by hypertigger

i thought that next yr's round had already been decided.......that it would be a fita.

and it's a very difficult game. people don't want novices counted in the team if they shoot a different round, realistically, a lot of novices don't shoot the poundage or technique necessary to able to shoot ladies/gents fita, IMHO it's a very small percentage of novices who would be insulted by shooting a baby round. how many people at uni who have been shooting for even a couple of years, shoot 1000+ fitas? not a huge number, no offence to uni archers on this board, but the number of uni archers regularly going to fitas and h2hs is still small.

unless we make it a very elitist event, it's still going to be more like a 'fun' event to go meet people, rather than shooting, for shooting's sake. or we have a separate novice event, but BUSA won't fund it..... the budget is tight enough, and as a past organiser, it was a struggle to make ends meet, and we made several grand profit for BUSA, which they argue goes towards to funding internationals.

think about the albion/windsor a different way, no one has cleaned the round, not even compound, so is there a need to change it to a fita. yes all the misses drove me up the wall, and maintaining concentration was the hardest thing, and i have to admit to giving up, cos i'd had such a sh&&ty 3 months before the tournament due to evil supervisorness, meaning no training of any sort. it's like the new h2hs (12 arrow matches), you don't have much room to make any errors, as every arrow counts.
just my 2 pee worth of rambling, probably doesn't have a point!!

a lot of uni archers do attend fita's and other events. they just may eneter them as their "home" clubs. i've entered all my summer shoots as wrexham bowmen rather than dmu.

i believe the round has been changed to a fita to allow people an extra shot at qualifying scores.

but i think by having two seperate rounds the event will lose something. no longer will you get the surprise novice who exceeds expectation etc. segregation dosnt seem right. maybe i just feel the novices are being hard done by...?

and as for misses - they are going to happen, no matter what distance.

[Kellog]

Originally Posted by DMU_AC

do you not think then that the novices will feel insulted having to be demonted to a "childrens" round while everyone else plays FITA's???


and yes i know its going to be a fita regardless but i heard enough boo's when it was mentioned at the prize giving to give the impression it wasnt a welcome idea.

is it really a case of what everyone wants or what people in the right positions want??

im happy to shoot either.

im just wondering how other clubs and uni's see it

I think the novices probably will feel they want to shoot the adult round, I personally was in favour of it just being the FITA's, as I novice I was entered in full a FITA, and I've entered novices in them this year. And from experience of going to one competition and entering a novice down a round they opted to change up to the full FITA on the second day.

I think it is a question that all the pressure is on the people in power to bring archery into line with other sports. Hence the jump to it being FITA's.

Personally from talking to uni archers around here opinions are mixed as to whether FITA's are a good idea or not. And I know a lot of people that don't want it to be on the grounds they consider it will be too many arrows for novices to shoot. And I do share those concerns, but having taken a novice to shoot a Hereford at the end of April, I know it is possible as long as they're warned and have a chance to work upto it a bit.

We as a club are in favour of it as well, tho whether that general opinion is because people prefer the idea of doing the FITA or whether it more likely is a case that gibbon and I are both prominent members and we both like FITA's I couldn't say.

[hypertigger]

you do get to know who's at uni.... even if they aren't entered under their college.

[Random_guy]

Originally Posted by DMU_AC

i believe the round has been changed to a fita to allow people an extra shot at qualifying scores.

How do you mean 'qualifying scores'? Qualifying for what? If you mean something to do with world uni games then i don't know, but if you're talking about scores for national rankings then you're out of luck.

Not sure if it's been made official yet, but cambridge applied to gnas for busa to be WRS.... and (politely) got turned down flat.

As far as novices go, it's difficult. I'd want to be shooting the full fita, just because by busa time this year i'd already been to 2 double fitas, and have since been to two more, with another 4 to go to before the end of the outdoor season, and a double 720 and h2h. But others i know or have met, wouldn't get on with a fita.

At some clubs the novices either don't have their own kit or only have trainer bows, or at best fairly light bows. These might make 80 yards ok with the sight inverted, but at 90m they're going to be aiming at clouds even with the sight inverted. It's not really fair on them to have to shoot their first 3 dozen arrows into the grass.

Looking back, it's been a fairly regular occurance that the very top novices manage to get onto the senior team. There's been a lot of people saying 'oh but the clubs who are at the top don't need their novices for their senior team, and the ones who do won't really be competing for the medals anyway'. Sorry but it's not true. Ok, so two of edinburghs best weren't there this year, but it was only 2 of them, and a novice made the last spot on their team at outdoors. And that's edinburgh!

I really don't think it's the best solution to have fita's. Not sure what you'd replace it with (not the albion/windsor!) but the novice senior issue is a big one, as is the missing (which WILL be much worse, since how many senior gents miss a fair bit at 80 yards, i saw quite a few this year) and as is how long it'll take. if you start at 10 you'll be finishing at 8. Then you have prize giving. It's gonna be really late before people get dinner. We're taking an ex-senior with us to cater for us next year, because if we had to go and cook everything after prize giving we'd be eating at about 10!

[andrew.paterson]

Originally Posted by Random_guy

If you mean something to do with world uni games then i don't know, but if you're talking about scores for national rankings then you're out of luck.

What do Students do in other countries for their inter-college tournaments? There are a number of overseas participants on AIUK so it would be interesting to know what happens in non-GNAS regions of the world.

[hypertigger]

the americans have a 2 day fita i think....