The numbers game

[Mufti]

If I were able to shoot an average of six 7s per end at 100yds in a York, would it be reasonable to predict a better score at 80yds – say a 9 and five 7s?

Equally I could do better at 60yds - two 9s and three 7s perhaps?

All things being equal which I know they aren’t, I have devised a very simple rule of thumb spreadsheet for myself . . .

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/mufti/Spreadsheet.htm

The change in average as you look down the list is crude (2 points per 6 arrows) and using the above rule – which is by no means true, I feel I am almost on the right track for predicting the outcome of a York round – for myself

So . . . If I shoot an average of two 9s and four 7s at 100yds I can sort of expect 1136 (in my dreams).

Just a rule of thumb thingy for comment.

I have been told to never count my money when I’m sitting at the table (or shooting in a competition), but armchair archery . . . ha ha.

This only works for Imperial rounds (as the face size doesn’t change).

Something to aim for and improve on from week to week and easy to see where I need to be shooting for a simple step up the ladder.

[LineCutter]

Originally Posted by Mufti

If I were able to shoot an average of six 7s per end at 100yds in a York, would it be reasonable to predict a better score at 80yds – say a 9 and five 7s?

Equally I could do better at 60yds - two 9s and three 7s perhaps?

Two thoughts:
Firstly, you'll get far better scores if you sort out those misses at 60 yards
Secondly, the handicap tables might give you a better gradient/curve for your expected performance changing with distance.

[Mufti]

ah yes, the old 7s where they should/could all be 9s?

None of us are perfect, I just made the spreadsheet as uniform as possible while allowing for slight (not major) imporvements as the distances get shorter.

[rohenwto]

Originally Posted by Mufti

If I were able to shoot an average of six 7s per end at 100yds in a York, would it be reasonable to predict a better score at 80yds – say a 9 and five 7s?

Equally I could do better at 60yds - two 9s and three 7s perhaps?

All things being equal which I know they aren’t, I have devised a very simple rule of thumb spreadsheet for myself . . .

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/mufti/Spreadsheet.htm

The change in average as you look down the list is crude (2 points per 6 arrows) and using the above rule – which is by no means true, I feel I am almost on the right track for predicting the outcome of a York round – for myself

So . . . If I shoot an average of two 9s and four 7s at 100yds I can sort of expect 1136 (in my dreams).

Just a rule of thumb thingy for comment.

I have been told to never count my money when I’m sitting at the table (or shooting in a competition), but armchair archery . . . ha ha.

This only works for Imperial rounds (as the face size doesn’t change).

Something to aim for and improve on from week to week and easy to see where I need to be shooting for a simple step up the ladder.

As a rule of thumb, scores should increase by 10 per doz as the distance is shortened.

[Mufti]

thanks for that, I'll build it in tomorrow.

[geoffretired]

Mufti, I think it is a nice idea to have some sort of ready reckoner. +10 per dozen sounds good ( as the distance shortens by 20y or 10y rohenwto?)
It helps to keep some sort of track on what you are doing on the longer rounds where more distances are shot. It can sometimes help to keep you on focus so the 7s happen less often. The reckoner will be even more helpful if you know why the 7s happen. The two together can just give the encouragement we all need at times.Nice one!

[GeoffT]

I have to admit to being confused by this thread.

Linecutter is right, the best way to have a rule of thumb is via the handicap tables. If you look at them there is a nice page about score for two dozen arrows (page 31 I think). If you divide these scores by 2 you get the following dozen scores for 100yds, 80yds, 60yds, 50yds respectively.

Gents
20 handicap (compound MB) 94, 100, 105, 107

28 handicap (c bowman, r MB) 83, 92, 100, 103

36 handicap (r bowman) 68, 81, 92, 97

44 handicap (r 1st class) 47, 64, 81, 89

50 handicap (r 2nd class) 30, 48, 69, 80


None of these approximate to 10 points per distance

[WhitehartFB]

I found the best way to improve over a season is to try and eliminate your worst arrow at a distance. So if you shoot at 100yrds and currently get the odd 3, work on getting all your arrows scoring no less than 5 during a round etc. By doing this you become more accurate and more arrows land in the middle so that the average score goes up. Works for both imperial and metric and all skill levels.This can also help to distract from trying to forecast your final score after each end as the goal is not the score but better averages some times rather than getting 6 7's (42) you get 2 9's 2 7's and 2 5's = 42. Also takes the pressure off putting all arrows in a smaller area, in an arm chair with no wind or rain to consider it all looks so easy.

[andrew.paterson]

Originally Posted by GeoffT

I have to admit to being confused by this thread.

Linecutter is right, the best way to have a rule of thumb is via the handicap tables. If you look at them there is a nice page about score for two dozen arrows (page 31 I think). If you divide these scores by 2 you get the following dozen scores for 100yds, 80yds, 60yds, 50yds respectively.

Gents
20 handicap (compound MB) 94, 100, 105, 107

28 handicap (c bowman, r MB) 83, 92, 100, 103

36 handicap (r bowman) 68, 81, 92, 97

44 handicap (r 1st class) 47, 64, 81, 89

50 handicap (r 2nd class) 30, 48, 69, 80


None of these approximate to 10 points per distance

This is what I work to as well. I have the 60 and 80 cracked (for a recurve Bowman) on average getting 96 and 84 dozens. I am just struggling at the mo only getting 60-64 point dozens at 100. My target is 70 point dozens at 100, and gradually getting closer.

That MB requiring 83 at 100 looks a bit ominous though Oh well a bit more practice then.

[ASW1973]

if you shoot an average of 50 for an end at 100yds then you better expect to be around the 1220 to 1230 mark.
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