Cadet Awards

[mk1]

I've been ploughing through the April 2006 updates to the GNAS green book. They have at last added info about the Cadet awards, but I am puzzled.

The FITA (Cadet Ladies) has been added to the Fita rounds (3-10) (its a Metric 2)

in SAP 6-5 its says that the FITA Cadet Star award is for FITA Cadet archers shooting "the appropriate" round. Now if the Metric II is appropriate for the girls the Metric I must be for the boys.

but then the Fita Cadet Target Award badge is (according to the GNAS book) only for shooting a FITA 60m. Surely it should be for the FITA70 or 60 as appropriate?

Can anyone enlighten me please , I'm writing up a simple & colourful guide for our website and it would be good to get the facts correct.

[Furface]

The FITA Cadet target award is indeed only for Cadets, as the full FITA Target award is available for the 70 metre. On the other hand, the "Cadet 60 metre round is described in the FITA rulebook as "for Cadets", so Cadet boys could presumably get the awards shooting it!

[mk1]

Thanks very much indeed for that Furface - as you could tell my logic circuits blew on that one, but I surmise you like the equal opportunities for the boys

[MrM]

Originally Posted by Furface

The FITA Cadet target award is indeed only for Cadets, as the full FITA Target award is available for the 70 metre. On the other hand, the "Cadet 60 metre round is described in the FITA rulebook as "for Cadets", so Cadet boys could presumably get the awards shooting it!

On a slightly different note Furface, according the Rules of Shooting (3-9) the metric 2 round is available to group D (Gents U16 and below), but the Cadet Ladies round (same distance) is available to group c - which includes gents U18! Is this an error do you think?

[Furface]

Originally Posted by MrM

On a slightly different note Furface, according the Rules of Shooting (3-9) the metric 2 round is available to group D (Gents U16 and below), but the Cadet Ladies round (same distance) is available to group c - which includes gents U18! Is this an error do you think?

This is what you get when you try to meld two systems. A "Cadet FITA" is a FITA round only ever shot by Girls, and when boys shoot the round it is known as a "Metric 2" (as it is a GNAS round)- same sort of naming situation with Hereford/Bristol 1. But the "Groups" are a GNAS scheme, which does not coincide with FITA. Now, as an archer moves between FITA age groups only on Dec 31st (unlike GNAS, which uses birthdays) Girls who are 16 (ie GNAS U/18) may shoot the Cadet FITA so long as it is still in the year of their 16th birthday. Hence it is avalable to some in group C, albeit only the younger end of 16-year-old girls.
And with a single bound he leaps free of those who accused him of error - for now.

[MrM]

Originally Posted by Furface

This is what you get when you try to meld two systems. A "Cadet FITA" is a FITA round only ever shot by Girls, and when boys shoot the round it is known as a "Metric 2" (as it is a GNAS round)- same sort of naming situation with Hereford/Bristol 1. But the "Groups" are a GNAS scheme, which does not coincide with FITA. Now, as an archer moves between FITA age groups only on Dec 31st (unlike GNAS, which uses birthdays) Girls who are 16 (ie GNAS U/18) may shoot the Cadet FITA so long as it is still in the year of their 16th birthday. Hence it is avalable to some in group C, albeit only the younger end of 16-year-old girls.
And with a single bound he leaps free of those who accused him of error - for now.

I'm so glad you cleared that up! Have I ever accused you of error I ask - te he..

[mk1]

my brain burts (not that it takes much)

Table 3-4 on 3-11 is about what rounds count for National (GNAS) Records
U18 Gents can claim a National Record for shooting a M I or greater - at least C
U18 Ladies can claim a National Record for shooting a M II or greater - at least D

mm... 3-10 should still have a D next to FITA (Cadet Ladies) I can understand only Cadet Ladies can shoot it, but surely Gents from 16-U18 are the same as Ladies (for the purpose of this argument) and could be on the same line in Table 3-4 and the M II does have a D in Table on 3-9.

Should I ?

[Moose]

What makes you think it is supposed to make any sense when you can achieve an MB score on a FITA with 88% of the total available score but it takes 91% to achieve the same MB frpm a York and the handicap tables have been scewed to match the clasifications

[Furface]

Moose, you are a cynic. The tables haven't been skewed, as they came before the classifications!
And, MK1, the point is that gents are not the same as ladies. The problem - one of perception - arises because the Metric rounds are only GNAS rounds, and applicable to GNAS age groups, while the Cadet FITA is a FITA round, applicable to FITA age groups. The Metric II is not a Cadet FITA. (They pinched the idea for the round from us!)

[MrM]

Originally Posted by Furface

Moose, you are a cynic. The tables haven't been skewed, as they came before the classifications!
And, MK1, the point is that gents are not the same as ladies. The problem - one of perception - arises because the Metric rounds are only GNAS rounds, and applicable to GNAS age groups, while the Cadet FITA is a FITA round, applicable to FITA age groups. The Metric II is not a Cadet FITA. (They pinched the idea for the round from us!)

You never saw the pictures of Chris W at the Little Acorns shoot did you Furface? Hint: look at the Berks web site - pictures!