Calculation of county Records

[SVL]

I have just taken over as the Cumbria county records officer and am putting all the data from a massive word document into a nice easy to use spreadsheet.
Now comparing our records with the GNAS records sheet I have noticed that we have records for seniors in rounds such as the Short National and Junior National which for National Records are considered not applicable.

I would be interested to know what is the standard approach of other counties.
Are all rounds open to records for senior archers or is there a cut off for the shorter distances.

Any advice please

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by SVL

I have just taken over as the Cumbria county records officer and am putting all the data from a massive word document into a nice easy to use spreadsheet.
Now comparing our records with the GNAS records sheet I have noticed that we have records for seniors in rounds such as the Short National and Junior National which for National Records are considered not applicable.

I would be interested to know what is the standard approach of other counties.
Are all rounds open to records for senior archers or is there a cut off for the shorter distances.

Any advice please

I have just taken over as county records officer for Worcestershire. [Our records are also in a Word document, although they used to be in a spreadsheet at one time....]

A couple of years ago Worcestershire also had similar records, but it was decided to come in to line with the national records. So no senior going out and hoping to get a record by shooting a perfect Short Junior National!!

Good luck with the new job.

FW

[TJ Mason]

Yorkshire doesn't recognise short rounds for seniors, though they're recognised for juniors.

We've got our records online :
http://www.yorkshirearchery.co.uk/YA...getLadies.html

[moo-mop]

Having claimed county records in a few counties, approaches vary.

Hampshire did allow such records (on the mistaken basis that GNAS allowed them) but now do not.

On a related subject allowing records from 'target days' also varies from county to county.
Hampshire now uses a MYSQL database to store records and that has allowed the easy maintainable of two sets of records (competition and all). Not that I, or many capable of getting records, would ever claim from a target day (I don't even consider such score pbs) but some do.
I am setting up our club to do the same as we have several records shot at target days, and I know that they aren't really fair as many scorers will give the benefit of the doubt on line cutters far more in practice/target days than otherwise. Faces are also often too bad to really tell scores, especially indoors in non-competition events too. However, it also seems a little unfair to delete a good score that stood for several years under an old system.

[MrM]

I took over as Berks records officer last year, and we keep in line with the GNAS records - i.e. down to National/Windsor/Western rounds (i.e. starting at 60yds) for Seniors and appropriate distances for Juniors.

We do have two sets of records - Overall Records which can be shot anywhere from Club target days and above, and Open records which have to be shot at a Record Status shoot.

We then also have a History File which keeps a chronological list of all records.

We do the same at our club, which is good as I do those as well

[moo-mop]

I personally think club records should allow club competitions and up, county records should allow tournaments with official judges but not limited to RS and up, and regional and national records only at RS shoots. I'm not terribly adverse to allowing club target days for club records if that is really wanted though but at county level....

Originally Posted by MrM

We do have two sets of records - Overall Records which can be shot anywhere from Club target days and above, and Open records which have to be shot at a Record Status shoot.

I think it would be a shame not be able to claim all county records at the county championships. How many indoor counties have RS indoor championships - Cambridgeshire and Hampshire don't, Essex and a few others include Berks?, I know do.

[SVL]

Thanks for all the replies.
I now have something to think about.

Sandra

[ben tarrow]

Originally Posted by moo-mop

On a related subject allowing records from 'target days' also varies from county to county.

Not that I, or many capable of getting records, would ever claim from a target day (I don't even consider such score pbs) but some do.

I know that they aren't really fair as many scorers will give the benefit of the doubt on line cutters far more in practice/target days than otherwise. Faces are also often too bad to really tell scores, especially indoors in non-competition events too.

This seems an incredibly unfair approach, to discriminate between two types of equally valid competition. If we make the distinction between practise (people shooting at targets unregulated) and target days ( as defined by GNAS rules of shooting, two or more people shooting a round at a time and place previously announced). Unless you are going to limit your records to record status shoots only, a target day is a perfectly valid competition according to GNAS rules of shooting. You can qualify for handicaps, six gold badges and even junior MB, so they should be valid for records!
If the quality of the target faces or the decisions on line cutters is below acceptable standards then that is an issue for the administration of the target day and should not exclude the score from being considered a valid score. To do otherwise consigns those archers who prefer to only shoot at their club target days rather than in "proper" tournaments to the ranks of second rate archers.

The statement that "Not that I, or many capable of getting records, would ever claim from a target day" belittles and discriminates against those who shoot at target days.

[TJ Mason]

The organisation keeping the records has to have some level of confidence that the round is being shot correctly. An awful lot of clubs have their "own little ways" of doing things.

For example, when I joined my club they had always shot National rounds as three dozen at the longer distance, three dozen at the shorter distance. It was only when I got serious about my shooting and checked what the rounds should be that we started shooting Nationals properly. Under the old way, the scores were inflated.

A lot of clubs don't have 20 yards indoors, but they record their rounds as Portsmouths even though they were shot at 15 or 17 yards.

Many clubs allow loads of practice arrows before shooting a round, instead of the regulation six sighters or timed practice.

Given this, I think it's reasonable for record authorities to say that only record claims from tournaments count. At least they can be confident that things are being done right.

[MrM]

Originally Posted by TJ Mason

The organisation keeping the records has to have some level of confidence that the round is being shot correctly. An awful lot of clubs have their "own little ways" of doing things.

Very fair point, but at the end of the day the archers are only cheating themselves - if having a record by fair means or foul means so much to them. How many peole really look at their fellow competitors arrows when they call them- i bet a lot don't. Its mostly done on trust, as it should be.