Archery Interchange the UK Archery Forum  

Go Back   Archery Interchange the UK Archery Forum > The Shooting Line > Hints & Tips

Hints & Tips Feel free to share all your archery tips here.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 23-05-07, 08:10 PM
In the White
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser:
Limbs: Martin s4, cougar.
Sight: tox naildriver
Stabilisers: X10
Button:
Bow String:
Arrows: cxl 150

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NJ uSA
Posts: 16

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

setting nock point

When setting the nock point, If you find that you need to make small adjustments to you nock point, you can make finer adjustments by tightening the limb bolts on a comp[ound. the nock point will move towards the bolt that gets tightened. Or it will move away from the bolt that gets loosened.
This is easier than changing the angle on the launcher or trying to slide the nock point
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote


  #2 (permalink)  
Old 23-05-07, 08:30 PM
JohnK's Avatar
It's an X
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Hoyt Matrix
Limbs: Border HEXV
Sight: Shibuya Dual Click
Stabilisers: W&W / SF
Button: Various
Bow String: 8125
Arrows: ACE 470

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Staffs
Posts: 2,230

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

This is true, Mike. However, it will also change the tiller, which will have an effect on how the bow aims and also the nocking point height required in the first place. It is possible to end up chasing your tail on this one I reckon.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 23-05-07, 08:55 PM
Kae's Avatar
Kae Kae is offline
An Oxymoron
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Green Fusion Hoyt Helix
Limbs: Border TXG's 54#
Sight: Shibuya Ultima
Stabilisers: Doinker Rod & Twins
Button: Shibuya DX
Bow String:
Arrows: ACE 520's

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3,229

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: GNAS
Club: Greenbank Company of Archers
Commercial: No Commercial Interest
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)
Kae has taken part in an Archery Interchange American shoot
WL Ranking:
SL Ranking:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK View Post
This is true, Mike. However, it will also change the tiller, which will have an effect on how the bow aims and also the nocking point height required in the first place. It is possible to end up chasing your tail on this one I reckon.
wot 'e said.

Kae.
__________________
If all else fails... Panic!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 23-05-07, 10:06 PM
indy
Guest
Posts: n/a

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

mike,try setting the nock with very sticky tape first,then when you have got it were its needed clip on the nock to the string, less chance of doing any damage to the bow string, i find this method works ok for me,
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 23-05-07, 11:08 PM
In the White
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser:
Limbs: Martin s4, cougar.
Sight: tox naildriver
Stabilisers: X10
Button:
Bow String:
Arrows: cxl 150

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: NJ uSA
Posts: 16

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK View Post
This is true, Mike. However, it will also change the tiller, which will have an effect on how the bow aims and also the nocking point height required in the first place. It is possible to end up chasing your tail on this one I reckon.
we are not talking about major changes here. the limb bolt can be changed a degree at a time. It may take as little as 1/16" change to get what you want.
I don't belive that what ever tiller change that happens can be discernable.
Mabe on a hooter shooter.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 23-05-07, 11:46 PM
JohnK's Avatar
It's an X
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Hoyt Matrix
Limbs: Border HEXV
Sight: Shibuya Dual Click
Stabilisers: W&W / SF
Button: Various
Bow String: 8125
Arrows: ACE 470

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Staffs
Posts: 2,230

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

Well, your call, but I wouldn't play that game.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 24-05-07, 12:20 AM
Kae's Avatar
Kae Kae is offline
An Oxymoron
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Green Fusion Hoyt Helix
Limbs: Border TXG's 54#
Sight: Shibuya Ultima
Stabilisers: Doinker Rod & Twins
Button: Shibuya DX
Bow String:
Arrows: ACE 520's

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3,229

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation: GNAS
Club: Greenbank Company of Archers
Commercial: No Commercial Interest
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)
Kae has taken part in an Archery Interchange American shoot
WL Ranking:
SL Ranking:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike lepera BRITESITE View Post
Maybe on a hooter shooter.

A hooter shooter will put arrows into the gold no matter the bow setup (within reason).

Kae.
__________________
If all else fails... Panic!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 24-05-07, 06:34 AM
cliveanne's Avatar
In the Gold
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Newhall, S\'Derbys
Posts: 912

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)
cliveanne has taken part in the Archery Interchange Ironman Challenge shoot
WL Ranking:
SL Ranking:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK View Post
This is true, Mike. However, it will also change the tiller, which will have an effect on how the bow aims and also the nocking point height required in the first place. It is possible to end up chasing your tail on this one I reckon.
Regarding the tiller business. Sometime ago (2000), on my coaching course, we were told that the tiller was of no importance. This is because the system is a "Closed one", unlike a recurve with one string. However, I seem to recall that it is not the tiller, but the timing of the cams which needs the attention...
I'm still trying to get my head around that. Tiller, not the cams.
__________________
I love archery. It is the only time I can pull & score
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 24-05-07, 08:22 AM
JohnK's Avatar
It's an X
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser: Hoyt Matrix
Limbs: Border HEXV
Sight: Shibuya Dual Click
Stabilisers: W&W / SF
Button: Various
Bow String: 8125
Arrows: ACE 470

Setup
Bow:
String & Cables:
Sight:
Stabs:
Scope:
Launcher/Rest:
Arrows:
Release Aid:
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Staffs
Posts: 2,230

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)

A closed system *unlike* a recurve with one string? That makes no sense.

I'm no compound expert, but I've seen enough articles here and there about tweaking tiller and timing to know it does have an effect. Also, as a very experienced archery engineer told me, the tiller, nocking point, bow grip pressure point, finger pressure (if applicable) and stabiliser set up all affect one another. Change one, and you may find you have to change another to balance it all out again.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 24-05-07, 11:13 AM
phil_r_58's Avatar
In the Gold
  • Recurve
  • Compound
  • Traditional
Setup
Riser:
Limbs:
Sight:
Stabilisers:
Button:
Bow String:
Arrows:

Setup
Bow: Merlin vision 2000
String & Cables: BCY, with furry bits
Sight: Shibuya ultima
Stabs:
Scope: a cheap one off flea-bay
Launcher/Rest: Trophy taker 2
Arrows: ACC 3-18 28 1/2
Release Aid: Fletchmatic shorty
Traditional Script currently under construction
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Gainsborough Lincs
Posts: 859

Affiliations & Declarations (Click Here)
Affiliation:
Club:
Commercial:
Commercial Interest:
GNAS Classification:
IFAA Classification:

AIUK Rankings & Live Shoots (Click Here)
phil_r_58 has taken part in the Archery Interchange Ironman Challenge shoot
WL Ranking:
SL Ranking:

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike lepera BRITESITE View Post
When setting the nock point, If you find that you need to make small adjustments to you nock point, you can make finer adjustments by tightening the limb bolts on a comp[ound. the nock point will move towards the bolt that gets tightened. Or it will move away from the bolt that gets loosened.
This is easier than changing the angle on the launcher or trying to slide the nock point
Have a look at this link, it gives a lot of useful information on tiller tuning.

http://www.merlin-bows.co.uk/articles/Tiller.pdf

There are a number of useful documents on theis page as well

Technical Sheets

Chris may be getting a bit long in the tooth, but there are few archers, even now, that can match his technical knowledge. And the older amongst us will remember that he was no slouch on the shooting line, field or target.
__________________
Credite amori vera dicenti
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Archery-Interchange.com © D. Renton