Arrow Making

[fezza]

Hi All,

Iv done a quick search for this subject but come up with allot of loose threads so here goes

I’m just about to order some nice new Cartel Triples and the components from (arrowsmith-components.co.uk) . I just wanted some advice from this pool of expertise on how to properly construct them.

I’m going to get them cut to the correct length when ordering, so I don’t need to worry about that aspect of the construction process, just the correct method and glues required to fit piles and nock pins.

(First timer with arrow making )

Thanks

Paul

[worthipa]

Are they coming fletched?

If not I suggest you get yourself a Cartel Fletching jig, some superglue (any cheap stuff from a Poundshop will do) and a Zip Strip for when you need to remove the vanes if they're damaged.

Whilst you're at the Poundshop, get yourself some glue gun sticks (the ones to glue metal) to fit your piles with. You'll also need a Cooks Torch (the sort you use to caramelise the brown sugar on your Crème Brule) to heat the piles and melt the glue.

Seeing as you're buying Cartel Triples the Cartel nocks are over nocks which you don't glue just push on. If they're slack you might need some plumbers PTFE tape to wrap 'round the top of the shaft. If you've bought Beiter nocks they're a push fit internally and shouldn't be glued either (according to the Beiter website), the PTFE tape will also come in handy here if they're slack.

Have fun.

[fezza]

Originally Posted by worthipa

Are they coming fletched?

If not I suggest you get yourself a Cartel Fletching jig, some superglue (any cheap stuff from a Poundshop will do) and a Zip Strip for when you need to remove the vanes if they're damaged.

Whilst you're at the Poundshop, get yourself some glue gun sticks (the ones to glue metal) to fit your piles with. You'll also need a Cooks Torch (the sort you use to caramelise the brown sugar on your Crème Brule) to heat the piles and melt the glue.

Seeing as you're buying Cartel Triples the Cartel nocks are over nocks which you don't glue just push on. If they're slack you might need some plumbers PTFE tape to wrap 'round the top of the shaft. If you've bought Beiter nocks they're a push fit internally and shouldn't be glued either (according to the Beiter website), the PTFE tape will also come in handy here if they're slack.

Have fun.

worthipa,

Thanks for that, I already have an Arten fletching jig and will be putting on the new Easton Tite Flight Vanes .

With regard the nocks, i'm going to use pin nocks.

What’s the procedure required to fit piles and pin nocks into the shafts? I take it you use the hotmelt glue, but how?

Thanks

Paul

[Tom]

Don't overheat those Arrowsmith points. If you do they can explode off the shank with a nice pop

[Alex]

Don't use glue gun sticks, they're rubbish and you'll end up leaving your piles in the stand! (Go on, ask me how I know....)
Use proper hot melt, the translucent brown stuff not the solid white coloured stuff.

As for insertion, heat the pile/nock pin and the hot melt stick either with a cook's torch or the flame of your gas cooker, then rub the hot melt onto the pile/pin and push into the shaft. Keep pressure on them for a few seconds to ensure that they do not get pushed out of the shaft by the pressure of the air trapped inside the shaft.

To get them out (if necessary) submerge the end of the shaft in hot water and this will soften the hot melt enough to be able to pull the pile out. Thus avoiding the disassembly of the pile!!

It is also best to clean the inside of the shaft with some isopropyl alcohol to remove any 'stuff' inside and to ensure a good bond by the glue.

Alex.

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by Alex.

Don't use glue gun sticks, they're rubbish and you'll end up leaving your piles in the stand! (Go on, ask me how I know....)

No they're not I wouldn't have mentioned them if they were. You might have had a bad experience with them. Personally I've just pulled the point off a brand new Easton A/C/E pile glued in with them, the shank of the pile remained in the shaft. So much for Easton "One Piece" break-off piles.

[Alex]

Strange how I had a number of piles come out of Triples when using the white hot melt, but when I started using the brown stuff they stayed in! and I was doing nothing different when using either type of hot melt.

Admittedly, they were only coming out after being impaled into the wooden stand, through the boss, from a compound.

Alex.

[mk1]

Originally Posted by Alex.

Strange how I had a number of piles come out of Triples when using the white hot melt, but when I started using the brown stuff they stayed in! and I was doing nothing different when using either type of hot melt.

Admittedly, they were only coming out after being impaled into the wooden stand, through the boss, from a compound.

Alex.

They'd have been double glued by then which is a recommended method.

Glue them in, take them out and then glue them in again.

I too use the brown stuff. I have some sticks of the white glue - IIRC it sometimes comes in the bag with Easton points so it can't be rubbish - I've just never used them cause they look a bit fiddly and wee.

[cornish george]

Originally Posted by fezza

worthipa,



With regard the nocks, i'm going to use pin nocks.

What’s the procedure required to fit pin nocks into the shafts? I take it you use the hotmelt glue, but how?

Thanks

Paul

All the information you need should come with the nocks, it did with mine, and i use the white hotmelt with no probs.

[english_archer]

Simon s. Needham has a very good guide to arrow asembley in his book "The art of repetition" I found with my triples I had to clean some gunk out from inside the shafts . I used a VERY slow turning drill with a bit just a little smaller than the inside diameter of the shaft then took a lot of time to be sure I didnt damage the arrow.