What's The GNAS Ruling On Arrow Points?

[Longbow_Gold]

Hey Guys

I'm not sure of where I should post this question, so I thought that I'd post here and hope for the best.

What is the ruling is on specific arrow points for Tagret, Field and other disciplines?

I have 30x 5/16 handmade ash arrows, (12 self nocked and 18x bjorn nocked) and the arrows have got 100grn modbod points.

Exhibit A



Picture from Longbow Shop, for Demonstrational purposes only.


I was told that I may not be permitted to use these arrows, and wasn't able to use them on the straw target butts.

Now, the club instructor, has taken one of the arrows and says he'll check the ruling on the arrow points and let me know next week, but I've got a feeling that I'll have to change the points, which I could really do without the expense and hassle of having to change points, but if I have to change them, it must be done.

Thank you very much in advance, as I would really appreciate any help/advice that you guys can give on this.

Thank you once again.

Willie

[Meddler]

GNAS Rules of Shooting :

206 Longbow - (d) ... Shouldered piles, whilst not disallowed, should be avoided because of excess damage to targets...

204 Recurve (g) ... and that such arrows do ot cause undue damage to target faces or buttresses...



Iain.

[gwynn]

I've had this argument with people before and it gets me cross, Modbods are NOT Bodkins. [The clue is in the name!]
A true bodkin has 'shoulders' wider than the shaft, once the shoulders get through the tough outer skin/armour/maille the shaft can then easily pass through the enlarged hole.
Modbods are the same diameter as the shaft, so therefore, the hole made by the pile is no greater than that of the shaft. How people can say 'Oh, they damage the target' I don't know
How do they damage the target, any more than the same shaft with a field pile on it pray tell?
A few years ago I was on a NFAS field shoot and every time I came up to draw some pillock in our group would go 'illegal arrow', eventually to keep him quiet I shot the rest of the round with standard field points - checking later, I found, by the NFAS anyway, these modbods are acceptable.
I like them and after a while the black rubs off and they go silver-ish, nice [or you can speed up the process with wire wool]
Keep the faith

[Longbow_Gold]

I agree with you Gwynn wholeheartedly, I shot one of the arrows as a "test" for the instructor before contueing and when he said that they would "Mess up the boss", I imediately thought to myself, "Then why the hell do you bother with straw bosses?"

To me, it makes more sense to use layered foam boses, they're generally cheaper to buy and last alot longer, and yes, modbods can be used on them no worries at all

I think that I'll be making a suggestion to the archery club to forget about using straw butts and switching to foam, ok, it will take the club some time to raise the money, but at the same time, that's what part of the membership fees are for, (Or at least I would certainly hope so).

I guess that I'll have to wait till next week to find out what the club says, but I have my doubts about being able to use my own arrows already.

Thank you very much guys, I really appreciate your replies and help so far

Willie

[gwynn]

Originally Posted by Longbow_Gold

I agree with you Gwynn wholeheartedly, I shot one of the arrows as a "test" for the instructor before contueing and when he said that they would "Mess up the boss", I... SNIP Willie

This is just what I mean - how mess up the boss??
I think that if any damage is done to straw [and yes I agree, foam is so much better] bosses by Longbow shooters, it is possibly because the arrows used are usually physically bigger - if the pile is of a diameter the same or less than that of the shaft the hole will be the size of the shaft, got to be!

[English Bowman]

Gwynn's right, Modbods don't do any more damage to targets than standard brass target points, or steel field points. I've used them, but now use the brass points with the internal thread, and I've noticed no difference in penetration or damage to targets on straw, foam or cardboard targets

Daniel

[Longbow_Gold]

Thanks for your reply Daniel, it's very much appreciated buddy

I'll wait and see what the instructor says next week and if he says that I'll have to change the points, I'll just say that I'm not going too, purely what you guys have mentioned, has confirmed what I had noticed last night, when I was shooting.

After I shot my own arrow, I was given these really thin carbon arrows, and I hate carbon arrows with a passion, everytime I shot a carbow arrow, it fishtailed like made and then after I changed those arrows back, I was give 2x Easton Jazz arrows, which they did fly alot straighter than the carbon needles, but also the Jazz arrows seemed to be slightly thicker, than my own ash arrows, which had me wondering how my arrows could've been worse than easton jazz?

I guess that I'll just have to wait and see, but I will be standing my grounfd on this.

Thank you once again guys, I really appreciate your replies , thoughts and advice on this

Willie

[FlourPower]

You shot carbon out of a longbow?

[TimGriff6]

Originally Posted by gwynn

A few years ago I was on a NFAS field shoot and every time I came up to draw some pillock in our group would go 'illegal arrow', eventually to keep him quiet I shot the rest of the round with standard field points -

A lot of people I know would have been writing:

'eventually to keep him quiet I shot him'

[John (OSF)]

Sometimes it's easier to 'just agree to differ' and then get on with your shooting (even when you are in the right)
If the majority of club members don't wish their targets to be shot at by 'whichever' points then they could have a vote and ban them forever if you push too hard

Maybe if you can get enough evidence to prove your point () to the equipment officer to start with then that might be the way to get the points accepted.

In club politics the softly softly approach always works best in the long run ime

Good luck