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Old 01-11-07, 12:41 PM
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I think pushing is rather illogical and not conjusive to holding the bow steady. It also can create tension in the bow shoulder and can assist in moving under load which can cause damage to the shoulder tendon.

Regarding your shooting.
Your alignments are not right. Your bow shoulder could be high, but hard to tell. The killer is in yoru relese arm too. You are using pretty much only arm, or at best have far far too much tension in it. You can tell this by drawing a line from your grip through your arrow and see where the elbow is. In this you can see that your release shoulderis too high and this means that your are pulling outside the line of force causing you to use too much arm muscle.

I think with a total restructure you could totally kill your PB's in a matter of months.
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Old 01-11-07, 12:41 PM
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Kind of, yes. There is a lot of post-shot shoulder motion which would indicate to me that the joint is fairly "loose", i.e. stability is coming from small muscles above, above rather than larger muscles behind and below, and the resulting "yank" on your shoulder muscles could be causing impact injury.

I'd suggest working on an well balanced expansion rather than a push or pull (thinking of "from below" might help you get the right muscles involved in keeping the joint stable), and work on more of a controlled squeeze than a "yank" If you get my meaning!
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Old 01-11-07, 12:59 PM
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Kind of, yes. There is a lot of post-shot shoulder motion which would indicate to me that the joint is fairly "loose", i.e. stability is coming from small muscles above, above rather than larger muscles behind and below, and the resulting "yank" on your shoulder muscles could be causing impact injury.

I'd suggest working on an well balanced expansion rather than a push or pull (thinking of "from below" might help you get the right muscles involved in keeping the joint stable), and work on more of a controlled squeeze than a "yank" If you get my meaning!
I think I understand. I always work on a controlled squeeze through the clicker but however the bow arm movement I need to use the muscules under the arm pit rather then the shoulder muscles?
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Old 01-11-07, 10:49 PM
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I'm no coach or expert, but the vid appears to show you leaning forward quite a bit.....if that puts you out of alignment, then you could be putting un-necessary stress on your upper back!
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Having been there (partly) & done that I think it's safe to say that the terminology can get right in the way of the concept if we're not careful (see discussions on bent/relaxed/straight arm elsewhere for examples)

Pushing with your armpit is a weird idea, not least 'cos there's no muscle there! But, using your serratus anterior to stretch/reach out/push toward the target is actually a way of getting your shoulder low & into mechanical line... so not pushing with your muscles.

You'll note the terms used by both camps figure in the description. I don't know if I'm describing the same end result, but I'd see both as trying for much the same thing described differently.
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Old 02-11-07, 07:30 AM
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Having been there (partly) & done that I think it's safe to say that the terminology can get right in the way of the concept if we're not careful (see discussions on bent/relaxed/straight arm elsewhere for examples)

Pushing with your armpit is a weird idea, not least 'cos there's no muscle there! But, using your serratus anterior to stretch/reach out/push toward the target is actually a way of getting your shoulder low & into mechanical line... so not pushing with your muscles.

You'll note the terms used by both camps figure in the description. I don't know if I'm describing the same end result, but I'd see both as trying for much the same thing described differently.
I get what your saying. I said armpit as that was what I had previously read.
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Old 02-11-07, 07:31 AM
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Old 02-11-07, 07:35 AM
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Right! Im actually slightly worried that my injury may be more permanent and I wont be able to shoot recurve again. As a few of you have had a simliar injury at one point or another, could switching to Compound help? Im not going to change yet I want to wait for the out come of my check up at the doctors, but I just want to make sure I can still shoot if it all goes bad.
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Maybe taking some of the weight off your bow might help, I had to do this to overcome a shoulder problem not related to archery.

Looking forward to the 70m next year hopefully it won't clash with CADAC.
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