Help with new setup

[fezza]

Dear All,

I have recently changed some equipment on my bow, including, new Inno's and a full set of Triads. The difference between my old setup and this one is the position of the stabilizers, and the extra 2lbs. I am having no problems with the new poundage of the limbs and I can pull it through the clicker with out any issues.

What I am finding is an increase in bow arm movement on the target. I’m getting the string to my chin and then the arrow through the clicker, as norm, but the pin is not settling on the gold by this time. As I'm sure your aware this is increasing the time I’m holding the string before I can release it in the correct spot, which increases fatigue. Before I changed the stabilizers and moved the v-bar and shorts forward with the 4" extender this movement was allot less.

Does moving the v-bar forward make that much of a difference, because the weight of the rods are allot less than what I had before?

Do I need to work on my bow arm strength if so is a clingy band enough?

I am happy with the lenght of the long rod + extender and would prefer not to change it if this is causing the problem. Could I put the v-bar and shorts back to the handle and put the extender in front?

Some advice would be appreciated.

Paul

[Ski]

I have a set of Triads and they are very light, but they work very well for me.

keep the set up you have, but try a heavier weight on the end of the long rod.

As you are use to heavier stabs, then you may need the extra weight on the end.

Don't buy extra weight, just do what I do and scroung some from club members and see if this makes any difference.

Ski.

[Schme1440]

As what ski said, it sounds like the loss of weight on the bow through ligther rods has caught you out. I would suggest adding weight to the longrod or even adding weight to the short rods. Try both and see which works better.

[niceguy]

Sounds like the centre of gravity is too far forward. This can start a pendulum effect. Try moving the weight back. I don't understand why so many archers move their v bars so far forward, defeats the primary reason for using v bars which is to balance the long rod. The bow should just gently roll forward not do cartwheels. Also moving the c of g too far forwards alters the loading on the limbs and also increases the weight you have hold up just like someone pulling down on the long rod.

[Schme1440]

Originally Posted by niceguy

Sounds like the centre of gravity is too far forward. This can start a pendulum effect. Try moving the weight back. I don't understand why so many archers move their v bars so far forward, defeats the primary reason for using v bars which is to balance the long rod. The bow should just gently roll forward not do cartwheels. Also moving the c of g too far forwards alters the loading on the limbs and also increases the weight you have hold up just like someone pulling down on the long rod.

it always makes me smile when people say vbars are to counter balance the Longrod. thats what back weights are for. Vbars are designed to be used for vertical balance. Vbars allow you to stop the bow tilting left or right by adding mass out to the side.

Put a long rod on the bow and tyr and tilt it. Then add vbars. It will be harder to tilt it in the hand. Why would you use a devise to counter a longrod? If your longrod is too heavy take weight off not add weight to counter it?

[niceguy]

Originally Posted by Schme1440

it always makes me smile when people say vbars are to counter balance the Longrod. thats what back weights are for. Vbars are designed to be used for vertical balance. Vbars allow you to stop the bow tilting left or right by adding mass out to the side.

Put a long rod on the bow and tyr and tilt it. Then add vbars. It will be harder to tilt it in the hand. Why would you use a devise to counter a longrod? If your longrod is too heavy take weight off not add weight to counter it?

I politely disagree. I dont think adding weights at about a 6" radius will have much effect on vertical stability. This is often put forward as the reason for using v bars, the theory being it's like the pole a tightrope walker uses. Replace the v bars with a single back rod on the centre line of the bow and you won't see any difference, or at least I couldn't, the weights aren't far enough away from the bow to have any real effect. I've always found v bars more usefull for balance than tightrope walking. Not trying to pick a fight, we'll just have to agree to differ.

[Schme1440]

Originally Posted by niceguy

I politely disagree. I dont think adding weights at about a 6" radius will have much effect on vertical stability. This is often put forward as the reason for using v bars, the theory being it's like the pole a tightrope walker uses. Replace the v bars with a single back rod on the centre line of the bow and you won't see any difference, or at least I couldn't, the weights aren't far enough away from the bow to have any real effect. I've always found v bars more usefull for balance than tightrope walking. Not trying to pick a fight, we'll just have to agree to differ.

In this instanace a back weight or an offset bar would do the same thing. I dont doubt it can work that way im just saying it does not seem the logical use to me. If they were designed to put weight behind the hand why make them at an angle away from the bow?

[niceguy]

The original intention of v bars may have been to provide a tightrope walkers pole effect but think about it. Turn your bow horizontal like the walkers pole, the bow is 70" long and weighs several pounds it would make a fair pole on it's own. Now add a couple of ounces at a 6" radius each side, common sence tells you it 'aint going to have much effect. The angle adustment of v bars allows for clearance and personel prefference in weight distribution, not sure if they were designed this way but that's what's good about them. I believe the length and mass of the bow itself has far more effect than v bars in vertical stability. Another way of looking at it-------. generally when a bow is on aim the only movement seen is up and down and side to side I don't see any oscillating rotatation from the vertical, if there is there is something seriously wrong. If this is the case then a walkers pole isn't needed and the weights can be placed anywhere on the riser as they are just adding mass weight and damping the ups and downs and side to side movement. Anyway it's all bit academic as most people stick them where they think they look best LOL.

[rod]

most archers put v-bars on because other archers are using them, so they assume their set up must be acceptable because it looks like joe bloggs next to them.
try this, set the target at 60 yards and shoot a couple of doz with just the long rod and no weights, make a note of the groups.
start adding weights and note the groups.
add the v-bar and twins again no weights, note the groups, add weights one at time, you will eventually find a set up that works for you, it might not look like joe bloggs set up, but joe bloggs is not going to shoot your bow.

[Schme1440]

there is a trend for this sheep like copying however let me put this to you. Why do all top archers (Except those from America) use Vbars? There must be something in it? If it be better balance or countering the longrod you cant deny that nearly all top level recurve archers use them so there must be something in it?