Draw style

[Tropicalshot]

basicly it leaves the discretion up to the judges on the field, but judges usualy have been shooting a while and would know that if an archer is aiming over the top of the target its going to go outside the saftey zone,
also bad practice to draw outside or above/below the gold then at full draw try and move into the gold zone, i have been taught that when i am drawing the sight is on the gold at all times and so when i am ready to push pull into the shot its already there, saves time and energy and is better biomechanics. (love that archey buzz word thats going around,wonder whats going to be the next one )

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by Tropicalshot

also bad practice to draw outside or above/below the gold then at full draw try and move into the gold zone

Better tell that to Kisik Lee. In his book he recommends drawing up a little above the gold.

Not having a go. It is one of those things in archery where there is lots of conflicting advice.

[King Custard]

Originally Posted by Tropicalshot

i have been taught that when i am drawing the sight is on the gold at all times and so when i am ready to push pull into the shot its already there, saves time and energy and is better biomechanics. (love that archey buzz word thats going around,wonder whats going to be the next one )

Can't fault the theory - but in practice I've found the sight wandering around the gold more, and for longer- though in decreasing circles..than if the shot is set-up a little above the gold and gravity 'utilised' to drop the aperture onto the gold. In practice- personally -i've found it better use of energy to set up, then 'center the shot'. I like to isolate the 'feel' first, paying little attention conciously to vision...until it's time to direct the shot ie aim or drop the sight onto the gold.
In practice, and even sometimes in competition- if things aren't going according to plan ( maybe groups are openning up too much) I'll set the shot up with eyes closed so that my internal focus is set upon my form.

I guess Im saying that in my case at least - information or feedback from the eye to the brain, can distract me from focusing on all the other skeletal/muscle/balance feedback- if I try to sight-up before I'm settled into proper form .

That said - I don't always hit gold!..I just find it so much more comfortable and less tiring this way

[geoffretired]

Having the sight on the gold all through the draw can sound logical; it did to me at one time.
However, one attempt at the high draw( that is arrow level on the bow but both hands and draw elbow at about eye level) convinced me that it was a far better way. Being on the gold all through is unnecessary and feels restricting in comparison.Also, bow hand above bow shoulder is helping to keep the bow shoulder down.

[johnske]

Originally Posted by sp220

Biomechanics is word thats been around long before coaches started using it in archery.

In fact I do believe it is a subject of study one can choose to follow if they are reading Biology, anatomy or physiology??

You also do at least one biophysics unit when studying physics and can choose to later specialise in biomechanics if you so wish...

[Good Sir Pete]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought a very high draw had the lovely side effect of grinding your right shoulder joint to dust over a long period of time...

[steve58]

Interesting debate!
Sorry if my kyudo image has caused confusion, but it was the best shorthand I could find for what I was trying to describe. I might have been better to describe it as a "high T" draw? Or is that another red herring?
In my case I am very aware of the need to keep the arrow level so as to avoid being challenged by the judges, and have avoided this so far (fingers crossed!). Am I dreaming, or was the wording of that rule once a little more forgiving to longbows? Given that an error on our part is far less likely to put an arrow into the next county than a compound?
As another poster has said, I find it easier to settle the bow shoulder this way.
As far as the drawing arm is concerned, I have found much less stress on the joint shooting this way, ie bringing the elbow over the top. I was concentrating on coming down into full draw on Sunday and managed to put another couple of points on my Portsmouth PB, so it works for me!

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by sp220

This is different...

Kisik Lee mentions the sight in his book, which should be above gold and brought down rather than lifted (saves energy).

I think what was mentioned before above about not lifting above eyeline was the actual line of the arrow with both hands when drawing, which would actually put the sight well above gold...

No I don't think so.

The original poster was talking about drawing with both hands high (but level), so yes during the draw the sight would be well above the gold.

The post I made a comment on seemed to indicate that throughout the draw you should have the sight on the gold. This is at odds with what Kisik Lee recommends.

I make no statement about what is right, just raising the point.

[Tropicalshot]

Originally Posted by Flying Whale

Better tell that to Kisik Lee. In his book he recommends drawing up a little above the gold.

Not having a go. It is one of those things in archery where there is lots of conflicting advice.

this would be the same kisik lee that left the Australian coaching job to go to America beacause of conflicting coaching methods???????

not having ago either, you either like his methods or you dont,
going back a few years i was told by elder archers that his method was the old power archery method which was dropped due to long term injuries appearing, again everyone has thier methods and personaly i find whats you are comftable with is the method for you

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by Tropicalshot

this would be the same kisik lee that left the Australian coaching job to go to America beacause of conflicting coaching methods???????

not having ago either, you either like his methods or you dont,
going back a few years i was told by elder archers that his method was the old power archery method which was dropped due to long term injuries appearing, again everyone has thier methods and personaly i find whats you are comftable with is the method for you

Interesting. The injury issue was not one I had heard before. Could I clarify? Is it

a. the high-T style of draw (with both hands being held at eye-level), or
b. coming to reference point with the sight a little above the gold, and then settling down to it which is the factor involved in the injuries?