Draw style

[steve58]

I have just got Ray Axford's "Archery Anatomy" on the recommendation of a poster on another thread.

If I am reading pages 96 to 99 correctly he is suggesting that a high draw style (like a Kyudo draw or like doing a lat pull down, only with a bow) is the most efficient.

Two questions:

1. Have I got the right end of this stick?
2. If I have, why is this not the draw style currently taught?

[Jerry Tee]

Strangely enough I use that style of draw when shooting cmpound with a wrist release aid, no problems. But I would run into problems keeping a consistant finger position on the string and getting to the anchor with a platform tab if I were shooting off fingers.

[King Custard]

Proves to be a very interesting thread.
This - more Kyudo type draw - is currently what I am using. I find that over the course of a days shooting it saves a considerable amount of energy, and any " tired-rising-bow-shoulder" is staved off for much longer. as far as I can 'feel' it settles the front shoulder blade nicely and naturally, and helps to stop forward / backward lean at full draw.

..Can't wait to see what the good coaches on AI have to say about any pitfalls it may induce in target shooting and consistency.

[josh 77]

I'm pretty sure if you use that technique in a competition, a judge will say either stop shooting or change the technique (i have seen it happen before).
I was told this by a fellow archer and they said it was banned at competition because of people sometimes loosing at the wrong time and the arrow going way off target which could be a danger to things behind the shooting field.

[King Custard]

I heard that too..but nothing's come of it.
perhaps because like the Kyudo draw- the arrow is 'basically' purpendicular to the ground through out the draw - if it is more than (i guess) 10 degrees above horizontal- then yes - it becomes GNAS dangerous.

I have actually seen people drawing such that an arrow is at about ten-o-clock through the draw...and that does make me cringe!!!


Interestingly those that come to full draw with their tab two or three inches below their jaw - are basically committing the same sin aren't they?

[Jerry Tee]

Originally Posted by josh 77

I'm pretty sure if you use that technique in a competition, a judge will say either stop shooting or change the technique (i have seen it happen before).
I was told this by a fellow archer and they said it was banned at competition because of people sometimes loosing at the wrong time and the arrow going way off target which could be a danger to things behind the shooting field.

A high draw is when the arrow is pointed up. Using this style, if done correctly the arrow is kept level. No one has warned me at club shoots or comps yet. Your 'fellow archer' has a strange idea of rule 102.b. which says that any draw that could result in the arrow landing outside the safety area if accidentally loosed is unsafe, if he can't see that an arrow kept level during draw is safe.

[Jerry Tee]

Originally Posted by King Custard

I heard that too..but nothing's come of it.
perhaps because like the Kyudo draw- the arrow is 'basically' purpendicular to the ground through out the draw - if it is more than (i guess) 10 degrees above horizontal- then yes - it becomes GNAS dangerous.

I have actually seen people drawing such that an arrow is at about ten-o-clock through the draw...and that does make me cringe!!!


Interestingly those that come to full draw with their tab two or three inches below their jaw - are basically committing the same sin aren't they?

I think 10 dregrees is a little on the small side I know people that would not reach 100 yds with that elevation.

[josh 77]

I have seen someone at a competition using that or a very similar technique and the judge did ask them to change it.

[King Custard]

I wonder what the rule actually is-
after all I think all of us draw and settle above the gold don't we?
so what angle is considered dangerous- and at what amount of draw?

Gotta be a difficult thing for any judge to call, unless the angle is very pronounced.

Perhaps it would make for a clearer mental picture if we were to make it clear that the 'Kyudo style' commonly used in target archery has no-where near as high a starting point as in the Kyudo displays...in fact, as SP said the hands start level ( or near as damnit) with the draw hand thumb around the eyebrow level and no higher. This seems to be enough to settle the shoulder blades and gives the feeling of 'stepping into the bow' somewhat.
It's the only draw that allows me to feel a part of the bow...rather than an appendage hanging on to it.



_________________________________
Christian Troy is my MSN name...love the avatar SP!

[Tropicalshot]

[quote=King Custard;203849]I wonder what the rule actually is-
after all I think all of us draw and settle above the gold don't we?
so what angle is considered dangerous- and at what amount of draw?

Gotta be a difficult thing for any judge to call, unless the angle is very pronounced.

The actual rule
7.7.7 from the fita rule book is as follows.
When drawing back the string of his or her bow an athlete must not use any technique
which, in the opinion of the Judges, could allow the arrow, if accidentally released,
fly beyond a safety zone or safety arrangements (overshoot area, net, wall
etc.). If an athlete persists in using such a technique, he or she will, in the interest of
safety, be asked by the Chairperson of the Judges Commission and/or the Director
of Shooting to stop shooting immediately and to leave the field.