Private coaching outside recognised clubs

[reklaws]

Hi all

It has recently come to my attention that a coach in our local area has decided to offer beginners lessons independently from any club, having this weekend been kicked out of his own club!

He has said that he will do lessons for beginners & that they can then feed into the local clubs, taking extra lessons there as needed. He hasn't discussed this arrangement with any of the local clubs & I know for certain that my club (& probably some of the other local ones) will not automatically take people who have had lessons from this individual.

Is it just me or is there something fundamentally wrong with this arrangement? Should local clubs not be given the opportunity to meet, work with & assess beginners before extending offers of club membership.

Conversely should beginners not be given the chance to see if they think that a particular club is right for them?

Also I am sure I have read somewhere that beginners lesson should not be done so that any one individual makes money from them, with any & all moneys paid being put back into club funds.

I Am not sure if it is just me but I am having real difficulty with this whole scenario, least of all because I am coach (albeit Level 1 but Level 2 candidate) at my own club, with 2 new Level 1 candidates coming up through the ranks who need willing guinea pigs!

I would like to draw on the collective wisdom of fellow AIUKers, just in case I am getting my knickers in a knot!

Sorry for the long winded rant!!!!!

[darthTer]

Originally Posted by reklaws

Hi all

It has recently come to my attention that a coach in our local area has decided to offer beginners lessons independently from any club, having this weekend been kicked out of his own club!

He has said that he will do lessons for beginners & that they can then feed into the local clubs, taking extra lessons there as needed. He hasn't discussed this arrangement with any of the local clubs & I know for certain that my club (& probably some of the other local ones) will not automatically take people who have had lessons from this individual.

Is it just me or is there something fundamentally wrong with this arrangement? Should local clubs not be given the opportunity to meet, work with & assess beginners before extending offers of club membership.

Conversely should beginners not be given the chance to see if they think that a particular club is right for them?

Also I am sure I have read somewhere that beginners lesson should not be done so that any one individual makes money from them, with any & all moneys paid being put back into club funds.

I Am not sure if it is just me but I am having real difficulty with this whole scenario, least of all because I am coach (albeit Level 1 but Level 2 candidate) at my own club, with 2 new Level 1 candidates coming up through the ranks who need willing guinea pigs!

I would like to draw on the collective wisdom of fellow AIUKers, just in case I am getting my knickers in a knot!

Sorry for the long winded rant!!!!!

I don't see any problem with the coach in question offering private tuition to beginners or anyone else.

It is up to the clubs themselves how they wish to accept new members. If the club stipulates that any potential new member has to participate in an introductory course, then so be it. If the new person has already been getting lessons, it might be a shortened course to assess skill level etc. rather than a full blown beginner course.

[JohnR]

Why would prospective beginners go to this chap rather than to you?

Are your courses too expensive? - if so the solution is in your hands.

Are his facilities better than yours? - unlikely, but if so the solution is in your hands.

Are prospective beginners more likely to hear about him than about you? - if so the solution is in your hands, improve your advertising.

It seems to me that you shouldn't have a problem. What problem do you think you have?

John

[bkupris]

It is my understanding that the completion of a beginners course is not a requirement for joining GNAS. It's really up to your club and what requirements they want to impose on new members...

[TJ Mason]

The gentleman is at liberty to offer private coaching, but he's not covered by GNAS insurance since he's coaching on a commercial basis. He needs his own private liability insurance. It's up to clubs whether or not they accept people who've been coached by him, but he's allowed to coach privately outside a club.

...having this weekend been kicked out of his own club!

Does this mean there'll be a merger of Hull clubs?

[geoffretired]

Originally Posted by reklaws

It has recently come to my attention that a coach in our local area has decided to offer beginners lessons independently from any club, having this weekend been kicked out of his own club!

He has said that he will do lessons for beginners & that they can then feed into the local clubs, taking extra lessons there as needed. He hasn't discussed this arrangement with any of the local clubs & I know for certain that my club (& probably some of the other local ones) will not automatically take people who have had lessons from this individual.

The coach is offering lessons for beginners. When the lessons end, the beginners will try to join a club, if they wish to continue with their archery.
I'm trying to imagine the first one arriving at a club and having a chat about joining.
Perhaps the response will be that they will have to be seen shooting by the club's own coach and the situation moved on from there.It would be a bit unfair to prevent entry automatically.(I'm not saying that is what you are suggesting, just adding that into the equation)
Is there something not right there? I would say that the coach would have been better thought of if he had sorted something out with the clubs likely to be visited by these beginners. If he was kicked out from one of those clubs, he probably thinks all discussions would be pointless. Perhaps he is offering lessons to make some sort of point about his coaching abilities.
I would try to treat beginners, coming from him, like any other who say they have had lessons before.

seems a little petty not to allow someone to join a club who has had a few lessons from some other scource, we get people coming from other associations and others who have been shown the basics from archery related places, however they still have to be assessed to weather they can handle a bow properly from our own trainers before they are allowed on any course and bought upto speed with our clubs rules and regulations which are at this time NFAS and EFAA, both of these associations require you are passed by one of there qualified instructors,

[Rhys]

I'd have to know the reasons this coach has been removed from his own club before deciding what to think to be honest.

But i agree with JohnR's statements

[grimsby archer]

Originally Posted by reklaws

Hi all

It has recently come to my attention that a coach in our local area has decided to offer beginners lessons independently from any club, having this weekend been kicked out of his own club!

At the risk of being contraversial (I can hear you all thinking "who you chris? no never!") would you point this coach across the bridge and in my direction. I could do with a spare coach for running beginners lessons. I only have 9 coaches and they're all run off their feet (it doesnt take much you know).
Obviously I would want to know the reasons for his departure from his club.
We welcome new members but do put them through a trial period unless they come from reliable verifiable club backgrounds. Member is members!

[Robin the Hood]

If anyone wishes to join, My suggestion would be that if they have done a course, Have a word with the course organiser where possible and/or let them shoot under supervision i.e normal clubs own organiser to show that they are competent.....
It all boils down to 'common sense'

Paul