Shooting it in the wind.

[WhitehartFB]

Originally Posted by Old Bloke

I wonder if the same policy would work today with the *click* buttons and carbons?

I look forward to your findings

The biggest enemy in the wind is the archer as they tense up and try and fight the gusts. Just relax and think about what the wind might do to your arrow as a head wind will not always make your arrow hit lower it depends on when the gust catches the arrow.

[King Custard]

Note to self re: shooting in wind- as in today....

Resist the urge to to aim off all lovely and settled.........and then sight on the gold as I come through the clicker....doh!


and remember to myself that I personally found wind correcting - off - of - the button - to be a pain...though likely very useful in a constant wind

[King Custard]

Incidentally, which kind of aperture do you guys consider to be best for aiming off?
Ring or dot?

Personally I've found that alingning a ring to the rings of the target face is really awkward when NOT aiming for the whole gold....that a dot can be 'placed' at 10 o'clock or 2 o'clock far easier.

[BorderBows]

Would a high FOC not help... Crossbows do it?
Get the mass up front... that way the area with most side drag (feathers) will be allowed to side slip the wind more?

[WhitehartFB]

Originally Posted by Yorker

One advantage of a heavy setup I imagine. Wind isn't going to buffet you that much

So the theory goes but at last having the chance to shoot the FiberBow (LH) I am not so sure, if the set up is well balanced, but it is entirely personal I mean the only extra weight Derek(Perris) could put on his bow is a breeze block

KC last year I decided in windy conditions not to aim off as it was too difficult to guess the effect of the wind down the range at the time of launching the arrow. I found the wind did not effect he arrows as much as when I aimed off and scores went up because I was able to shoot the arrow correctly. I can see at a higher level though with less points to gain aiming off is more important so in that case I would use a ring & pin.

[archer_thom]

Where was the plane trying to land in the video? And yes, it would probably fly like a 22x10^14 14 arrow with ONE MASSIVE VANE. Interesting.

Interesting comment about using a click button to correct for wind - a lot of guys here do that and it doesn't seem to work for them. However we have gusty wind so the ability to adapt at full draw is useful.

Lucien Trepper who shot for Switzerland in the 72 olympics once told me that the old alu arrows flew better in the wind than modern one because they were so heavy. I've also seen Richard Cordeau shooting his ACE 400 - 120gn point monsters very accurately in huge winds, so this seems to make sense.

Personally I aim off, as I have a feeling for how far the arrow will be blown and when I'm shooting well I can score nearly as high with this method as aiming in the middle on a calm day.

However with my compound I find that I have no stability at all in the wind, possibly becvause of the tiny holding weight - anyone else had that or have any tips?

[archer_thom]

Originally Posted by Yorker

What I do if I have to aim off is I shift my stance ever so slightly, so basically the entire line of the shot is changed. Still a good quality shot but on a slightly different line.
With a rifle I was always told that a good shot lost less points than a bad shot aimed off appropriately.

That makes sense, the foot angle determines your whole body position. About your rifle experience, does that mean that a good shot aimed at the middle no matter what? Because my arrows move all the way to the blue or more in strong winds at 70, and at one 90m competition I was aiming at the corner of the boss.

[Mistake]

Originally Posted by Yorker

With a rifle I was always told that a good shot lost less points than a bad shot aimed off appropriately.

I'm guessing that you where never in cadets as one of the first marksmanship lessons in the (ACF) syllabys is 'Aiming off and miss drills' (ie: how to aim off correctly)


If the wind is gusting then i'll try to shoot between the gusts (within reason).. but if the wind is fairly consistent then at longer distances i'll aim off (90m and 70m) with the first shot and see where it goes, and at the shorter distances (50m and 30m) i'll just aim at the centre and see where it goes

[moo-mop]

I've already mentioned about unproven tuning statements when talking about different button set-up conditions in the still, if you can show this in the wind I'm even more impressed (and probably me being the cynic that I am also more incredulous). btw Joe Tapley does admit his models are entirely unvalidated.

I expect changing a button in the wind and seeing an effect isn't a stiff/weak arrow reaction but a different way of aiming off, I know back when I first started archery I wasn't convinced I could aim off so I used to cant the bow.

I try and wait to the least windy part of the end (easier in Yorks), then I aim off.

I've also now proved to myself that I can aim off and score just as well as I've tried this on a still day with a hidden target behind the one I was using to aim off at the blue on (I remember this day quite well as, at the time, the score I got aiming off was higher than my pb).

[archer_thom]

Ok Moo-Mop, thanks for bringing up canting. How does it work? If you take the geometry then canting your limp tip left should make the arrow go right. [limb goes left, sight goes left of the target, sight is moved to the right to be in the middle of the target, arrow point is to the right of sight due to cant, therefore arrow should go right.] However I found (and Chris B confirmed this after being very sceptical when I first told him) that if you cant the bow left the arrow goes left.

Could it be due to the amount of pressure on the button?