Shooting it in the wind.

[moo-mop]

Read what you said again - cant bow left sight goes left. Oh I see - hold on... now I'm confused. I know if you cant left it goes left, and I've read a good explanation for field. Generally speaking the arrow is quite close to the axis of the cant, so doesn't move as much as the sight.

[archer_thom]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear? By canting the bow left (imagine we start from full draw, sight in the 10) with the cant through the axis of the wrist, the sight will have moved left off the 10. However as I understand it the idea of canting is that the sight stays in the 10, so we move our whole bow to the right. The sight is now back in the 10, but due to the cant the arrow should be pointing fractionally to the right.

That's what I meant, and surely in that situation the arrow will go right?

[archer_thom]

Ps, point is that it doesn't. Moo-Mop, I think you're agreeing about the effect, but WHY does it go left when it should go right?

[moo-mop]

No I've got it now honest: it's not the sight moving it the fact that you're shooting up in the air and if you cant the bow left some of you upward competent becomes leftward component - you're rotating the bow around the axis with the sight in the same place (more or less). And that's why it's critical in field when you have more upward and downwards.

[archer_thom]

Originally Posted by moo-mop

No I've got it now honest: it's not the sight moving it the fact that you're shooting up in the air and if you cant the bow left some of you upward competent becomes leftward component - you're rotating the bow around the axis with the sight in the same place (more or less). And that's why it's critical in field when you have more upward and downwards.

Ok that makes sense.

[Mistake]

Originally Posted by Yorker

@Mistake: The first lesson in the ATC syllabus was how to not kill someone through poor rifle discapline.

The first marskmanship lesson was the four principles of marksmanship which ultimately govern every shot you take. Rather than discuss the means by which to aim off we first learnt how to shoot good shots.

Acf rifle syllabus (off the top of my head)

Safe handling rules
Parts of the weapon
how to fit the sling
nsps, load, unload, make safe
Instant action and Stoppages
princibles of marskmanship
Aiming off and miss drills



I said it was on fo the first cause they're are more lessons than i care to remember, and its been over a year since i had to teach them

[Yeah, I missed again :)]

Originally Posted by Yorker

In the context of archery the wind is going to play havoc a lot more with an arrow than a bullet - however a bad shot Especially out of a recurve is going to be considerably worse.

Aiming off is a necessity - or else adjusting your sight - but you shouldn't do it at the expense of good quality shots. This is why I shimmy my body around a little bit - to make sure I am still essentially shooting with the exact same form.

I find it easier to aim off, but only very slightly, because if you more your body position around then this will change your shot and body position more than aiming off will.

This will then have a knock on effect for when the wind drops suddenly and you will stay in that position rather than coming back to the normal aiming point.

Aiming off is more natural and instinctive which means that you are more likely to get more shots in the right place because if you let you and the bow become together and work together then it will automatically work better because a lot of the time your sub-concious mind takes over your shot-sequence and will automatically compensate for the wind withou you having to think too much about it so you can concentrate more on your shot rather than where you are aiming.

[LobbyMuncher]

Originally Posted by Old Bloke

Like pilots, you are the flyer of the arrow. You do not have to fly the arrow if it is not right, but do you have the sense to come down and start again or are you compelled to let it rip?
LiveLeak.com - Hamburg - A320 nearly crashed during crosswind approach

It was a windy day today in Europe.

Another view of the incident.
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Just take time to think about what you do.

Bloody hell that's plain scary. Isn't it called "crabbing", when the plane flies at an angle like that? I remember doing the same thing while glider flying in the ATC years ago up in windy Scotland. That plane is crabbing at such a high angle that you might wonder what would happen to the undercarriage if it touched down. Just before it does, the plane straightens out so that the fuselage is now parallel to the direction in which it's moving, which might be a bit gentler on the gear. But now it's less stable, and when a gust catches it, the plane rolls - left wing down - instead of drifting left with no roll, which is what would have happened if it had still been "crabbing".
I'm sure the passengers were feeling a sensation with a slightly different spelling, if you get my drift

Cheers

ChrisM

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Hey, send me the instructions!

[not dead yet]

Originally Posted by Old Bloke

Yorker, that was anything but a lighthearted thread. It was a valuable *coaching* thread...sorry you missed the bus.

And for the record, it was a crap approach in a crap airplane (computer landing). The crosswind component exceeded the airframe capablity. Structural damage occured to the left wing with ground contact. Luckily it stayed together long enough for the aircraft to go around and land.

mmmmmmmmmmm........if its serious the computer would have aborted before the wing hit the ground

as the computer is the brain, then your brain should tell you to abort the shot. or aim off and pluck