Setting Bow Arm Scapula

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Originally Posted by King Custard

and you'd do that?

anything to help a friend

[King Custard]

Originally Posted by bkupris

Yes, Not over extended mind you...

Many of the form videos don't make that anywhere near so clear, in fact it actually looks as if the trap's on both sides are 'clenching'!...and yes overextending leads to leaning and the feeling of a poor bone to bone stability.

[geoffretired]

When the bow arm shoulder unit is set low and in line, and the bow is drawn, pushing to the target, to me, isn't about getting the bow hand further away from the face. The pushing seems to me, to be preventing the bow hand from getting closer to the face; there is no front or back movement. I feel as if I am using the back muscles to swing the whole bow arm away to the left(right handed archer). It is a very slight sensation and is in balance with the draw elbow swinging round to match.The two together cancel each other out so the sight stays in the gold. I describe it as the two arms swinging wider apart and stretching the draw force line, which, in turn draws the bow a little more. I think KSL calls it angular movement. If my ideas are right, I may be describing the same thing he does.

[King Custard]

Yes you are Geoff, but in English.

Gawd knows why I decided to try tensing both sets of traps. It seemed to work for a while feeling very strong -but ultimately both pulling and pushing in the same shoulder just lends to antagonism and ...
a pain in the armpit when you look up and right....

Oh well live and learn...and I've learned something new - don't do it!

[Araglin]

Originally Posted by King Custard

...straighten/lock arm...

Really? I've been told not to lock it so that, when I release, my hand will go forward instead of jerking any which way.

[Erika]

I have no idea if this is useful or not....but there's plenty of footage of what the scapula looks like in action...

YouTube - technique back view - 28/2/08

[bkupris]

Yes, that just made my day. Exactly what I was talking about and very nicely demonstrated

[King Custard]

Originally Posted by Erika

I have no idea if this is useful or not....but there's plenty of footage of what the scapula looks like in action...

YouTube - technique back view - 28/2/08

From a purely pro-sport perspective ( Hi Marcus- alright mate?) thats a great vid....clearly enough definition to make things clear but without the 'meat-mass' to confuse what's going on there....and from a very credible and coached archer...none of the 'apparent clenching' that led me down the wrong path. I'll be quite happy to try to emulate that Erika - and thanks, thats great.
(stop typing custard- stop typing!)

Where can I get a backless strappy tie-up thing, in white or green, 42 chest preferably...it's cold here in the UK right now and I need to vid my longer shots.

[3rdof5]

I Think what you are looking for is the Dee Gee Trianing Aid (Quicks).
Quote:
A leather elbow cup is used to train the use of back muscles instead of the arms to draw the bow
£16.50 from Quicks

[pHz]

as well as erikas vids danny - get hold of a copy of the archeryGB DVD - has some pretty clear footage / explanation / schematics of what ought to be going on

(i know brian has it too)

wasnt until i watched this that i suddenly got that you dont squeeze the scaps together but one goes forward / down and the other one moves towards it in towards the spine

slainte rob