Nutrition - WA Alert Drink

[Watch_Man]

Originally Posted by mk1

I guess we just don't expect to be sold hidden steroids in a supermarket disguised as an orange flavoured drink - surely there would be a law against that? .

No they put it in US Beef I did a bit of research after Alistairs comments and found that all supplements are included and none have any exemption. Certain Lucozade products claimed to be WADA approved but the lab that tested them lost their WADA status because WADA will not approve ANY supplement. It now states that only the sample tested can be verified as drug free, they won't even verify the same box never mind the same batch.

I am recommending Wendy goes on my healthy diet of burgers and bacon sarnies with the odd hot dog thrown in for variety

[worthipa]

Originally Posted by mk1

I guess we just don't expect to be sold hidden steroids in a supermarket

Presumably you don't eat the meat then?

BBC News | MEDICAL NOTES | Nandrolone and anabolic steroids

[mk1]

Uhhh I got a steak in the fridge for tonight Scottish Beef.

Fortunately I know of at least one study where the extra weight gained by cattle didn't justify the cost of the growth promoter they were fed.

[Watch_Man]

Originally Posted by Yorker

Out of interest what is your opinion on products such as Creatine (Monohydrate/Ethyl Ester), Whey Consentrates/Isolates and the like?

I don't take these, but they are certainly popular for people who take their weight training seriously, how would such thinks factor into the above?

Presumeably substances like Dianabol, Nolvadex, Milk Thistle and M1T are huge nono's?

Dianabol is an oral anabolic steroid that was withdrawn years ago in this Country. The Army used to keep stocks of it together with Deca-Durabolin injection to help rapid recovery in time of war, however that policy went out of the window about 1985. Dianabol was the steroid of choice for body builders in the 1970's and was probably the one that caused the most damage.

archery_mum was looking for a re-hydration type drink not a general food supplement, she uses Walkers finest crisps for this. However as she had seen lots of archers using rehydration drinks on the shooting line she thought a one with lower calories specifically formulated for archery would be a good idea - obviously not one of her best ones

[Murray]

Yorker - water is not a good rehydrant as it contains too few salts and nutrients. Supplements will replace these important salts and thus assist the body in hanging onto the fluids. Just drinking water in hot climates can still cause you to dehydrate as the water can simply pass through the body relatively unhindered. Adding a pinch of salt and some fruit juice to water is one method of improving the hydration properties. (good to collect those small sachets of salt from cafe's for just this purpose!)

The problem with any additives is that, as said above, there are NO guarantees. You swallows your additive and takes your chance.

I'm not giving up steak though NO WAY!

[Murray]

Yep, sounds about right.
For more information on gatorade , or more importantly water and the all important electrolytes, see here:
http://www.eletewater.com/elpdf/elec...ehydration.pdf

[Deadeye Doc]

Having seen the problems caused with some of my patients in the past of the use of various - mostly unproven - bodybuilding supplements, many of which contained small and often illegal doses of anabolic steroids I full endorse what has been said about these products.

WM and AM, I would suggest that as a simple re-hydration product the equivalent of the WHO "Glucose and electrolyte mixture" (GEM) is hard to beat. This is marketed for babies with the runs and for oral rehydration for adults in diarrhoea as Dioralyte or Rehydrat. There are other similar products from the chemist/pharmacy. However, a simple mixture of ordinary salt and sugar in water - I can't recall the proportions but in Africa WHO used to give out two ended spoons, with a small end and a large end and instructions to boil the water to dilute the salt and sugar added in the proportions dictated by the size of the spoon - is really all that is needed. BUT Salty sugar water tastes horrible so the commercial companies produced packets of blackberry, citrus and so on, flavoured drinks. You could equally add small amounts of salt to Ribena or some similar cordial.

This really only becomes a necessity in really sweaty conditions. A simple glass of water will suffice in most situations, accompanied by complex carbohydrate (see elsewhere) to avoid the glucose hit and crash.

With respect to the steroids in beef: In the 1970s steers in the USA were fed anabolic steroids. Anabolic Steroids
This was reputed at the time to have caused a number of old rich men - who could afford large T-bone or ribeye steaks - to develop gynaecomastia. The practice of using such steroids is outlawed, although food adulteration still occurs.
Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full text | "Adulterated" Androstenedione: What FDA's Action against Andro Means for Industry
Milestones in U.S. Food and Drug Law History

[ASW1973]

even for body builders protein supplements are overkill.
the product mentioned by Sam was cited by a rugby league player banned for 3 years for failing a drug test in 2003.
averages are odious but at 1gram per kilo bodymass as the "required" protein intake per day for a healthy lifestyle person and most diets have 2 or 3 times that there is little need for supplements of this kind in heavy fitness regimes
As for the use of drinks to hydrate, keep it sensible and you will be fine. There is a lot of old wives tales about the relative hydrating properties of different liquids. Apart from extreme circumstances most liquids taken into the body will hydrate it adequateley, again it is the things in the drinks which MAY affect different people in adverse ways (caffiene, sugar etc).

[Kae]

Originally Posted by Yorker

The only thing you need after a workout, in some theory, is protein to help you recover and some simple carbs to recoup blood sugar. This amounts to a protein shake and a bannana.
All the vits and minerals you need should be accounted for in the rest of your diet...
so Imo, most recovery drinks aren't quite what they say.

Don't forget, recovery drinks have different effects depending how efficient an athletes body is!

The ones that say you can perform longer are actually true...... to some extent

[bimble]

I am a great believer in orange squash, for the simple reason that I like it. That or tea. My real question though is, just what is the product that archery_mum has now decided not to try...???

Originally Posted by archery_mum

After information (below) from Alistair and others I have decided NOT to try this product.

Having missed the initial post before it was changed!!