help with string alignment please

[ASW1973]

this has been discussed extensiveley elsewhere on this sight under alignement and anchor.
One note of warning, advice that can seem correct due to conviction of the author is not necessarily so King custard has said several things that are "confusing". So even when taking advice - buyer beware.

[Andyakashrek]

Originally Posted by ASW1973

One note of warning, advice that can seem correct due to conviction of the author is not necessarily so King custard has said several things that are "confusing". So even when taking advice - buyer beware.

Very true. I always suggest that if you have a problem that the best way to solve it is on the range with an experienced archers help.
Without seeing the problem first hand any advice offered on this forum by anyone is not always correct and can only be made on assumptions. Also just because someone has a high post count that does not mean that they know what they are saying or indeed have anything worthwhile to say.

[King Custard]

Nuts- admin must have wiped out my post begging others to put me right, while I destroy your thinking!
Shame 20 minutes of education that you are going to miss

[Noble Savage]

Originally Posted by King Custard

BTW can you provide further details on your set-up, draw weight, arrow length, draw length, arrow spine and type please?

Thanks for all this info. Still seems like a bit of a contentious issue.
I'm pulling 42# using 3L 18/620 ACC's with 28# draw.
Going to put in some practice this weekend and try moving things over a bit.

[King Custard]

Originally Posted by Yorker

If the string is consistantly on the right hand side of the riser there is no issue with that as long as the arrow is going in a straight line at the gold.

What I am mainly concerned about is why it is there when you say your anchor is pretty much centre of nose and chin.

Exactly- how many posts to get to here

[King Custard]

Originally Posted by Noble Savage

Thanks for all this info. Still seems like a bit of a contentious issue.
I'm pulling 42# using 3L 18/620 ACC's with 28# draw.
Going to put in some practice this weekend and try moving things over a bit.

I think it was Geoffretired- bang on the button with the mirror routine!
Look out for an arched back and a head tilted to the left (as you almost face the target) Sometimes this can be a result of over-drawing..drawing too much arrow....and please get back with any findings on paying attention to head position re: the string alignment
Equipment sounds fine enough so -yes- something to do with form, plus a tweak on the aperture and button settings should see you aligning string and aperture -hence bow and ' the corrected flight of the arrow after paradox settles'..all aimed at the Center of the gold....by far the least 'twitchy' and most consistent way to be set up.

It would be very useful to have someone stand above and behind you ( say on a chair) to give you objective feedback of exactly where your bow or longrod is pointing at release...presently its probably slightly to one side....not a preference of top coaches nor authors.

Haha- everything in archery is in contention!

[Noble Savage]

Originally Posted by Yorker

What I am mainly concerned about is why it is there when you say your anchor is pretty much centre of nose and chin.

I did some work today on this, and it seems to be my bow hand that needs shifting, but also shifted my anchor to front right corner of chin. A bit erratic at first, and then tightened up nicely.
Yorker I would also be happy if all was consistant, but during a FITA I will suddenly start shooting a tight group way off. Its normally at 30m (when I need those golds) so I'm presuming it happens due to weariness and lack of concerntration. So my mission is to reduce the margin of error, so when I do slip up it is not so disasterous. My string pic seems to be one of these areas where I can improve.

[Noble Savage]

Originally Posted by Yorker

Is it to the same direction as the hand you hold the bow with ie. Group Left for Left hand

Because if it is it is mostly like you are getting tired and no longer getting the rear elbow etc. rotated into line. This will effect string picture and effect alignment, you might not notice it either.

Two groups cropped up. A tight group to the right, and a random low left. With a left bow arm.
The wayward string pic seems built into my form. What I'm thinking is that as a novice I'm still very concious of setting up my grip, and anchor etc(good or bad, still to be determined)when I'm fresh and relaxed. but when tired and or stressed I loose focus and slip into some other set up (good or bad, still to be determined)
I also picked up that my bow hands pressure point is a bit off centre, which I presume would torque the bow.
So many things, so little time

[King Custard]

Originally Posted by Noble Savage

Two groups cropped up. A tight group to the right, and a random low left. With a left bow arm.
The wayward string pic seems built into my form. What I'm thinking is that as a novice I'm still very concious of setting up my grip, and anchor etc(good or bad, still to be determined)when I'm fresh and relaxed. but when tired and or stressed I loose focus and slip into some other set up (good or bad, still to be determined)
I also picked up that my bow hands pressure point is a bit off centre, which I presume would torque the bow.
So many things, so little time

I would have suggested that the tight rights would be due to the bowhand being placed that little bit more to the left....and it still feels right/good doesn't it?...so you do it again...and you wonder why that's now two arrows over to the right...so you over adjust your bow hand placement and the next arrow goes to the left....thats not correct says you talking to yourself...so you go back to doing what you were doing before- and get another right arrow??? - settling for some placement between the two...you're now back in the middle???
Does this sound familiar?

There is the advice to shoot a couple of ends in practice- get the arrows grouping nicely- and have someone mark a line on your hand while you are at fulldraw, that lines up with a marker on the bow itself. When your odd arrows-or groups start to wander...check the line and return your hand placement to where it was previously using the line on your hand and the marker as a guide.
Personally I have tried this with some success, but it was all too easy to become overconcious of the 'lining up' of markers.
I found that simply practicing to 'feel' the grip being pulled into its 'usual place' -into a relaxed hand gave more consistent positioning with practice. I have in the past even sellotaped half a match stick to the grip for a greater 'tactile' experience.

So there's two practical training methods(?) one visual- one tactile, that may help you to aquire a little more consistency in your hand placement..or at least alert you to sporadic misplacement
..but don't sweat it!

As archers we very often improve a little in one area- then move on to the next- improve a little in that area too...and so on..till we get all the way around every aspect of our shot, and come back to the first thing we worked on again.
Perfect, consistently precise bow hand placement is critical to win the Olympics...but 'consistently close' will get you to bowman...maybe further even.

[sparkie2]

Originally Posted by chrism

It could be your head,....or your feet, or hips, or shoulders, whether you have your bow arm bent or locked. It could also be the way you grip the bow. There are so many variables you really need someone qualified and/or experienced from your club to watch you shoot.

Then again , maybe having your string off to the right works for you and thats what you should stick with

I have an archer having the same problem.Initially, i thought only archer with spectacles have this problem...ie. he could be using the wrong eye to aim as he might be blocked by the rim of the spectacles.
But i have done many checks..even to extent of having him aiming at me (of course without arrow) and he is using his right eye.. no mistake..
We've done plunger test bare shaft test, walk back, re setting the brace height...his sight pin is still to the far right (very close to the riser)..but his grouping is good, straight... I gather if my test wouldn't improve, the only way is to get him to change to a stiffer set of arrows.....