Good coach

[Old Bloke]

Jim Park? Did this Jim shoot the 1996 World FITA field champs in Slovenia?

[bkupris]

Originally Posted by sp220

Is it reasonable to ask why I was groaned at in my post after replying to a question?

All I can say is you gave me what appears to be an honest and well thought out answer to a straight question. Thanks again...

[not dead yet]

i am a big believer in ...."if you shot constantly i.e. don't work. you will be extremely good... obviously it helps if you know what your doing. but i don't think you even need a coach. in that sense.......i know 3 people over the years that just shot and they all made GB.


maybe their form wasn't 100% correct. but it worked.

i know there's good coaches out there. but i do think that too much emphasis is put on " i'm know the coach you do it this way."

how many level 1's are calling themselfes coaches,
they are infact teachers or tutors. for beginners.


am i right
not another dig at the system, just the way i see it


just to add a bit after reading archery mums. post..

john dudley £500 a day.
now if he's turnin archers out like wendy in 3 months. to me as an archer thats money well spent.

blimy i'm lucky half the time to get my petrol money...
and thats why the coaching thingy isn't working.

for £20 per hr + travel i wouldn't move and i'd write a written report for your reference

[John (OSF)]

Do I detect a fresh can of worms being opened?

[Meddler]

Originally Posted by not dead yet

how many level 1's are calling themselfes coaches, they are infact teachers or tutors. for beginners.

Oh goody! Semantics.... I LOVE semantics...

Strictly speaking they are Coaches... BUT they forget to put in the "Level 1"
bit. The "Level 1" bit is the bit that identifies their level of expertise.

It's more what they don't say than what they say...

The breakdown of the job descriptions for each level of Coach can be found here... http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...ch-grades.html

Basically where = means "is of a level equivalent to"....
L1 = Instructor / Assistant Coach
L2 = Coach
L3 = County Coach
L4 = Senior Coach

[Meddler]

Payment for Coaching...

That's a whole new thread, I think... I'll just go and start it off, shall I?

[Medoc]

A bit of background first, I have been shooting since the early 1970's almost exclusivly recurve with a bit of longbow for fun, I acheived MB "almost" during the early 90's.

A couple of years ago I decided to try compound shooting to mix things up a little, and from the off decieded to get a coach. The person who I approached was starting his course work for the senior coaching level, I did not ask him to coach me because of this fact but because he has shot compound since the 1980's to a good level, This was more important to me that the fact he was a GNAS coach.

From the start I fully trusted what he was telling me and "bought into" the changes he made to my shooting, I pay him for his time and travelling expenses and we cover all aspects of my shooting, as well as the form we also cover periodisation and goals and goalsetting plus how to handle the mental side of shooting when in a tournament.

Not everything that we have tried has worked but the majority has, within the time working with him I have found his imput invaluble, eventually I maybe could have got to where I am now by myself but this is unlikely.

I have achieved all my goals so far and I am confident that I will do so this year. I view this as a partnership and my coach deseves a large amount of credit for my achievments, he has passed his level 4 in this time period.

Finding a coach who you can trust and who tells you both good and bad is very important, you also need to believe that he is guiding you in ther right direction.


Lastly a little rant, I think it is commendable that people want to become coaches to help archers, however it dismays me to see that a fair number who pass exams immediately enrole for the next level, surely it would be better for them to coach at that level for a couple of years before moving up.

[John (OSF)]

Originally Posted by Meddler

Oh goody! Semantics.... I LOVE semantics...

Strictly speaking they are Coaches... BUT they forget to put in the "Level 1"
bit. The "Level 1" bit is the bit that identifies their level of expertise.

It's more what they don't say than what they say...

The breakdown of the job descriptions for each level of Coach can be found here... http://www.archery-interchange.com/f...ch-grades.html

Basically where = means "is of a level equivalent to"....
L1 = Instructor / Assistant Coach
L2 = Coach
L3 = County Coach
L4 = Senior Coach

You're gettin better, I nearly understood all of that

[darthTer]

From the little experience I have had of coaches....

I have had a lot of assistance from the regular coach at my club. He is a very approachable person & easy to talk to. One of his ideals is to educate the archer in good practice, ie. how something should be done & how it should feel. This way you are better equiped to identify a problem & fix it yourself. I feel that I have a good relationship with him & always listen to his advice & do my best to implement it. It has taken a while, but I think his input is finally starting to really sink in.

Is this what consitutes a "Good coach"??? In my mind Yes....he is constantly imparting knowledge which allows me to progress.

I have also had some limited coaching input from Meddler - again very clear, concise & very helpfull. Has always given a good reason why something should be done in a particular way....

[Zippo]

Basically I think a good coach is someone you can trust and communicate well with. IMHO a good coach would also make sure you understand why certain things are better done so and not just change your form/equipment and not tell you why. The best way to find a suitable coach for yourself imo is to watch how the coach teaches others.