Huge improvement in GNAS coaching

[not dead yet]

Originally Posted by John (OSF)

It's going to be a long week for me too

my week got better when ifinally walked out of a club meeting, totally disgusted with the way its been run . and my dad is the only surviving founder member. big shame but time to find new club.


i dont mind social archers but when they start giving away the rights to the permanently 55 yr old archery field for rugby purposes. its time..

[John (OSF)]

Originally Posted by Cimbian

Take the 90 quid out of the equation as that is a ridiculous slur on the integrity of the assessors and not worthy of any coach and you are down to somebody that has 'probably' attended all the sessions and attained a satisfactory level of ASSISTANT on the day.

I know of Level 1 coaches that have a great deal of knowledge and experience... I know of county coaches that do not.

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We're all human and will make mistakes/can be infuenced etc. so it's never going to be perfect, outward signs are that there is an effort being made to try and sort the very varied ability levels of our coaches.
It has to start somewhere, if there's a 'cull' in 2 years, then it's taking effect, if not then maybe the system needs refining.
The best solution (imo) would be the re-training and/or re-grading of all coaches that were found deficient

(still being positive )

[John (OSF)]

Originally Posted by not dead yet

i dont mind social archers but when they start giving away the rights to the permanently 55 yr old archery field for rugby purposes.

Sounds like you need a mole-catcher!

[Cimbian]

Originally Posted by John (OSF)

We're all human and will make mistakes/can be infuenced etc. so it's never going to be perfect, outward signs are that there is an effort being made to try and sort the very varied ability levels of our coaches.
It has to start somewhere, if there's a 'cull' in 2 years, then it's taking effect, if not then maybe the system needs refining.
The best solution (imo) would be the re-training and/or re-grading of coaches that were found deficient

As uncomfortable as assessment weekends are it may be that a 'cull' is required by means of skill assessment at renewal supported by testimonial from a senior grade (peer grade at L4).

[Furface]

Originally Posted by Robin the Hood

[font="Comic Sans MS"]What the hell has 'Shooting a Bow', 'Kicking a Ball' and and 'Ski-ing down a mountain' have in common...
.......

What they have in common is a) they require teaching and b) they are being performed by humans. As the post went on to say, the sports specific elements are taught as just that. What this system aims to provide at a general level is people who can put across the required information effectively and who have an appropriate level of knowledge about the physiognomy of their students. And, in my experience, the system is meeting that aim.

[Robin the Hood]

Originally Posted by Furface

What they have in common is a) they require teaching and b) they are being performed by humans. As the post went on to say, the sports specific elements are taught as just that. What this system aims to provide at a general level is people who can put across the required information effectively and who have an appropriate level of knowledge about the physiognomy of their students. And, in my experience, the system is meeting that aim.

So very little of has anything to do with shooting a bow.... quite sad really...

[not dead yet]

people kicking the ball normally know what they are doing. intructors on a dry or wet ski slope definately know what they are doing....archery coaches


ok furface who coaches who by you...please

sensible question by the way

[Cimbian]

Originally Posted by Robin the Hood

So very little of has anything to do with shooting a bow.... quite sad really...

On the basis of there's more to it than:
Hold it there
Click that on there
Pull this back
Look through that
Let this go.

Yes.

[Mistake]

Originally Posted by Robin the Hood

What the hell has 'Shooting a Bow', 'Kicking a Ball' and and 'Ski-ing down a mountain' have in common...

The exact same amount that *teaching* someone how to read a map and how to iron their clothes. Its not about the content so much (though these are undoubtly needed) but on how it is delivered.

When i took my JCIC (Junior Cadets Instructors Cadre) in 2005 and SCIC (Senior Cadets Instructor Cadre) in 2006 with cadets i was assessed *seperatly* in teaching a load of differant subjects including:
Drill
SAA
Map Reading
and Fieldcraft

(which all have differant styles of teaching)

With marks for how it was delievered (beause it wasn't a coaching course we didn't need to know about rare instances as their is a set way to things with those 4 things)

However i can apply these techniques to *teaching* someone something else i know alot about like (for instance)
How to put a recurve together
Using Windoze
making a decent cup of tea
and if there isn't someone qualified around or they are busy.. yes i can teach someone the basics behind shooting barebow/ recurve, but i know thats all i can teach someone other than very little things like getting them to draw to their face etc.

Edit:

Meddler said that the sports specific stuff was the core part of the course, but there where other things to learn (i'm assuming how to deliever etc), and i wouldn't be suprised if Level 1 candidates are taught something similar to EDIP and KISS

Second Edit:

About what Sam said; Uni clubs really do have it rough (on the most part) when it comes to coaching as well as being routinly put down by individual archers to the point where i've been told that i fiddled my scores or i'm lying about going to uni cause uni archers arn't good enough to shoot very well (hmm.. perhaps i can start that off next Sunday as next weeks contentious thread).

my case in point is Swansea cause i know it well enough.

We have 4 or 5 Archery Leaders, most of them with only around a years worth of experiance and one coach who comes down every few weeks and helps the odd archer out. We have ask county and region to tell us if there are qualified coaches in the area we could contact.. but we've a resounding silence from them (though i get the feeling that WAA don't like uni clubs and people above the valleys anyway) and as such i get *very* irritated with them alot of the time.

My other club (Radnor Foresters) has two level 1 coaches who have had their qualification for around a year and a half to two years. And ok.. they don't know everything, but they are trying to help people improve as much as possible.

[not dead yet]

from what you learn on your beginners course, other than needing a little more anatomy.... anyone can pas the level one......the only issue is these people are calling themselfes coaches.