Statistics and standards

[steve58]

Nearly posted this on the traditional section, but thought I might get a wider range of opinions here.

Have not been that happy with my shooting recently and have just been going back over all this season's competition scores. For context my GNAS classification was 2nd last year under the old system; this year I have made first and put in one bowman score. At the start of the season my outdoor and indoor handicaps were the same at 57, the outdoor has now come down to 54 according to the last list from the records officer.

At 100 yards I have been averaging 2 hits per dozen, average dozen score 9.
At 80, 6 and 21
At 60, 11 and 53
At 50, 12 (rounded up!) and 64

Should I be pleased with this? Why (not)? Is there a means of comparing my average dozen scores to my handicap? If these were your stats, where would you concentrate your efforts in practice and why?

[LineCutter]

It's not quite the answer to the question that you put, but FullMonte might be worth looking at to see what the realistic spread of score is for your current level of shooting.

You could take a peek at the FullMonte output for 2-3 dozen arrows & borrow the handicap tables to see how good they are - that would let you rank the distances by comparative performance.

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by steve58

Nearly posted this on the traditional section, but thought I might get a wider range of opinions here.

Have not been that happy with my shooting recently and have just been going back over all this season's competition scores. For context my GNAS classification was 2nd last year under the old system; this year I have made first and put in one bowman score. At the start of the season my outdoor and indoor handicaps were the same at 57, the outdoor has now come down to 54 according to the last list from the records officer.

At 100 yards I have been averaging 2 hits per dozen, average dozen score 9.
At 80, 6 and 21
At 60, 11 and 53
At 50, 12 (rounded up!) and 64

Should I be pleased with this? Why (not)? Is there a means of comparing my average dozen scores to my handicap? If these were your stats, where would you concentrate your efforts in practice and why?

Table 15 of the handicap tables gives you the information you are asking about. It gives the score for 2 dozen at every imperial distance for every handicap. Thus using your values and doubling them and reading off the table the nearest value (not necessarily going up, or down, simply taking the closest for ease) you get.....

100yds: 61HC
80yds: 60HC
60yds: 56HC
50yds: 57HC.

So it looks like you do better closer, but not hugely different

[geoffretired]

Flying Whale, is it possible to view the handicap tables on GNAS website? I tried looking but found nothing.

[Flying Whale]

Originally Posted by geoffretired

Flying Whale, is it possible to view the handicap tables on GNAS website? I tried looking but found nothing.

I'm afraid not. All to do with the copyright issue....

Unfortunately the handicap distance tables are not available anywhere online that I have found. Even the online set only handles rounds, which is what most people want.

[geoffretired]

Thanks for that Flying Whale. I can stop looking now, cheers.

[WhitehartFB]

Originally Posted by steve58

Nearly posted this on the traditional section, but thought I might get a wider range of opinions here.

Have not been that happy with my shooting recently and have just been going back over all this season's competition scores. For context my GNAS classification was 2nd last year under the old system; this year I have made first and put in one bowman score. At the start of the season my outdoor and indoor handicaps were the same at 57, the outdoor has now come down to 54 according to the last list from the records officer.

At 100 yards I have been averaging 2 hits per dozen, average dozen score 9.
At 80, 6 and 21
At 60, 11 and 53
At 50, 12 (rounded up!) and 64

Should I be pleased with this? Why (not)? Is there a means of comparing my average dozen scores to my handicap? If these were your stats, where would you concentrate your efforts in practice and why?

I think the question should be are you happy with this and have you achieved or are you still on track to the goals you have set yourself, I don't worry about what others are doing?

Most rounds we shoot different distances I find it is important to keep working on improving technique and practicing all distances as this will bring your average up across the board. Through lazyness (closer to the container) at the club I spent too much time shooting the longer distances only to find that my shorter distances scores suffered and did not show the same level of improvement as my longer distances.

[steve58]

Originally Posted by LineCutter

It's not quite the answer to the question that you put, but FullMonte might be worth looking at to see what the realistic spread of score is for your current level of shooting.

You could take a peek at the FullMonte output for 2-3 dozen arrows & borrow the handicap tables to see how good they are - that would let you rank the distances by comparative performance.

Thanks linecutter. I googled fullmonte and found the programme. I have a couple fo days off, if I can clear this wretched cold out of my head I will have a go and see what happens.

[steve58]

Originally Posted by Flying Whale

Table 15 of the handicap tables gives you the information you are asking about. It gives the score for 2 dozen at every imperial distance for every handicap. Thus using your values and doubling them and reading off the table the nearest value (not necessarily going up, or down, simply taking the closest for ease) you get.....

100yds: 61HC
80yds: 60HC
60yds: 56HC
50yds: 57HC.

So it looks like you do better closer, but not hugely different

I did wonder whether being too tight to buy the handicap tables was a good thing! That's really interesting to see the comparison. It kinda confirms what I thought, which is that I have not yet come to grips with the longer distances. Certainly on Sunday I had no margin/experience/technique to adjust for the conditions. I think I will plan to rotate my practice across the York distances for most of the time, trying to keep a balance. We ahve a FITA coming up in August, so I can use the metric distances, especially the shorter ones, for variety

[steve58]

Originally Posted by WhitehartFB

I think the question should be are you happy with this and have you achieved or are you still on track to the goals you have set yourself, I don't worry about what others are doing?

Most rounds we shoot different distances I find it is important to keep working on improving technique and practicing all distances as this will bring your average up across the board. Through lazyness (closer to the container) at the club I spent too much time shooting the longer distances only to find that my shorter distances scores suffered and did not show the same level of improvement as my longer distances.

I had 4 outdoor goals:

1. Achieve first class
2. Retain county team place
3. Hold onto County outdoor trophy
4. 375 longbow rose

Managed 1 (although under the new system...)
Got 2
3. No! (Was always going to be a big ask if our best Notts longbow shooter came back from injury, which I am happy to say he has)
4. Can see no signs of progress (best York 319, if I add the best distances I've ever done in Yorks I feel I could do a 375 in theory) towards this at the moment, which is why I started this thread. The averages I gave suggest a 244 York (my York average last year was 245!) so I feel I am seeing no progress.