FOC for Cartel Triples

[MikeD]

Hi,

Anyone know what a good FOC would be for Cartel Triples for recurve?

I got 600s that are 29" including the 110 grn point, which are shooting a bit weak. Just want to check what the downsides are of reducing the point weight to 100 or 90grn to stiffen them up a bit, I don't want to reduce poundage, if anything I'd prefer to go up a pound or two.

Originally Posted by MikeD

Hi,

Anyone know what a good FOC would be for Cartel Triples for recurve?

I got 600s that are 29" including the 110 grn point, which are shooting a bit weak. Just want to check what the downsides are of reducing the point weight to 100 or 90grn to stiffen them up a bit, I don't want to reduce poundage, if anything I'd prefer to go up a pound or two.

I would not worry too much about FOC just yet. Get the arrows tuning first, shoot them and let the groups decide. I feel 110gn points may be a little heavy for your draw lenght/bow weight anyhow, 90 gns will be OK, but try the 100 first.

[KevinH]

Last year I tried to stiffen some triple 400's by reducing the point weight from 110 to 90 grain, after upgrading my limbs. To be honest it didn't seem to make much difference to either spine or grouping, but they came out of the bow a fair bit quicker. I ended up making a heavier string ( more strands and 2" longer center serving ), which had a much greater effect on tuning.

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by rgsphoto

I would not worry too much about FOC just yet. Get the arrows tuning first, shoot them and let the groups decide. I feel 110gn points may be a little heavy for your draw lenght/bow weight anyhow, 90 gns will be OK, but try the 100 first.

I ordered 3 extra points so I can experiment and see what happens. Alternative were a bit slow delivering the 3 shafts and I don't expect to see the rest in time to get them sorted for a FITA next sunday. I am also fairly sure they sent 500 points instead of 600, for the first order for three shafts.

The scary thing is when I asked them to recommend and they came up with 600s. I was expecting them to recommend 700, maybe they have seen or heard of some of the discussions here about spines.

Originally Posted by MikeD

The scary thing is when I asked them to recommend and they came up with 600s. I was expecting them to recommend 700, maybe they have seen or heard of some of the discussions here about spines.

I can't see any comments from AIUK influencing the Mighty "Alternative" but you never know..if so...who from Alternative is a member of AIUK? Or do they just Lurk as a guest?

[whisky]

Originally Posted by MikeD

Hi,

Anyone know what a good FOC would be for Cartel Triples for recurve?

I got 600s that are 29" including the 110 grn point, which are shooting a bit weak. Just want to check what the downsides are of reducing the point weight to 100 or 90grn to stiffen them up a bit, I don't want to reduce poundage, if anything I'd prefer to go up a pound or two.

Mike,
The Spine chart shows that Alt have suggested the 600 spine, as per the charts. They do tend to underspine a little and it wouldn't hurt having the shaft a little stiff. Also with it in mind you want to increase poundage a bit I would have suggested that you go for the 500 spine.

The lighter the point the lighter the arrow and thus more speed out of the bow (though a string with more strands would be slower) Heavier points would stabilize/counter-act wind effect/ wind drift.

If it were me I'd invest in the 500s and increase the poundage the little you want, keeping a heavy point weight like 110/120(if you can get them)

[whisky]

Originally Posted by rgsphoto

I can't see any comments from AIUK influencing the Mighty "Alternative" but you never know..if so...who from Alternative is a member of AIUK? Or do they just Lurk as a guest?

Yeah, and don't ring them for advice!!!
If you argue with a fool they drag you down to their level

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by whisky

Mike,
If it were me I'd invest in the 500s and increase the poundage the little you want, keeping a heavy point weight like 110/120(if you can get them)

I've already ordered the 600s, so kind of stuck there. They are shooting about the same as my redlines with the 110 gn points, but are about 8 metres short at 90M compared to the redlines. I'll try the points at 100 gn which I think is what I have in the redlines and see what happens.

[greydog]

Instead of dropping point weight, bare in mind that you can stick vector pins in the triples and go with pin nocks, that will also work to stiffen the spine.

You can also go for a heavier fletching like the quick spins or similar

*edit* wraps are another way you can make an arrow react a little stiffer, but you'll have to refletch

[MikeD]

Originally Posted by greydog

Instead of dropping point weight, bare in mind that you can stick vector pins in the triples and go with pin nocks, that will also work to stiffen the spine.

You can also go for a heavier fletching like the quick spins or similar

*edit* wraps are another way you can make an arrow react a little stiffer, but you'll have to refletch

However am I right in thinking all these methods will slow the arrow down and make it more difficult to get a 90m/100yd mark? I'll try reducing the point weight with the three spare points and see what happens.. I could also cut up to half an inch from the shafts reasonably easily to stiffen them up, so I think I can get a compromise that will still give me a good sight marks. They are not ridiculously weak, they are similar to the X7s and redlines I have and would probably be OK, but I'll experiment to see how well I can get them to group.